Description
This is a 4-way intersection with the traffic entering from 3 directions, and a protected turn light for the left turn from East-bound University Dr. into Ireland St. (two turning lanes).
However, there is no indication for the
pedestrians crossing Ireland St. about the phase of the traffic light.
This results in a situation when the protected-left-turn light turns on (for relatively short time, compared to the number of cars in two turning lanes), while the pedestrians are crossing Ireland St., creating a safety hazard.
Often, the situation becomes even more dangerous, when the vehicle in the leftmost turning lane is tall, thus, limiting the visibility of the intersection and pedestrians for the car in the second turning lane.
Also, at the same intersection, some visitors coming out of the parking garage to Ireland street make an illegal left turn on a one-way Ireland St., and then come to that same intersection, not realizing that they are on one way street. Since there is no traffic light for them (and it is not needed), they just enter the intersection as they like, creating hazardous situations for the oncoming (University dr.) traffic. I've observed this on several separate occasions.
I propose that some sort of sign, indicating that it's a wrong direction (such as "Wrong Way" on divided highways) would be placed on Ireland St. right in front of the intersection - for the cars heading North on Ireland St. (for the drivers who didn't realize that they made an illegal turn).
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19 Comments
Acknowledged ADA- CSTX (Verified Official)
Closed ADA- CSTX (Verified Official)
Reopened I.R. (Registered User)
While I am not sure about the jurisdiction of the second issue, - as it might be on the A&M territory, the first one (pedestrian light) is an issue that is on the city property.
So, to me, your response
I.R. (Registered User)
(and the interface keeps biting off parts of the message):
While I am not sure about the jurisdiction of the second issue, - as it might be on the A&M territory, the first one (pedestrian light) is an issue that is on the city property.
So, to me, your response "Not a City Issue" sounds as "We don't care for the safety of the CS residents". I hope that's not that case.
I realize that the city services may not be able to take of this issue, but you must have channels to pass this information to the right service/department (TX-DOT?...?)
I.R. (Registered User)
Using SeeClickFix for reporting issues in BCS is a great initiative of the City.
It helps to report issuing, avoiding bureaucratic barriers.
(Kudos to the City of CS for this initiative.)
E.g. the issues I reported have been present for at least 1.5 year, but I still don't know how to report them without wasting half a day.
In the long run, to make it even more efficient, you may consider involving here representatives from other services and departments related to the city (DOT, etc..) who would monitor and respond directly to the issues related to their "area of expertise".
Thank you for reading this.
Matches Malone (Registered User)
Hi I.R.,
I would like to let you know that Venessa Garza, the Greenway Program Manager, who also handles the Pedestrian and Bicycle Plans for COCS will be contacting Texas A&M and the City of College Station Public Works Dept. to see if we can come up with a solution to this problem. If you would like to contact her to futher explain the issue or follow up you can e-mail her at VGarza@cstx.gov.
From the "IT" side of thigs, I would like to know how you are posting to the interface, via smart phone or computer and if by phone what type of phone. Please feel free to e-mail me directly at MTrevino@cstx.gov as to not muck up this issues thread with Tech problems.
As always thank you for reporitng this issue as well as the technical problem you are having. The City of College Station and SeeClickFix look forward to resolving this issue. :)
bmoore (Registered User)
Good Morning,
We wanted to follow up to let you know the results of our looking in to the issue you presented at Ireland St. & University Dr. We spoke with the City's Traffic Engineer regarding your concerns and possible solutions. He is talking with our Traffic Division about possibly installing a pedestrian crossing signal at that intersection. However, in addition to current financial constraints, this location may present some other physical challenges for us install the crossing signal. (i.e., no capacity in the conduit to place additional cables).
Per the Traffic Engineer: In the absence of a pedestrian signal, pedestrians can proceed across a street when the parallel moving traffic receives a green indication on the traffic signal. For example, a pedestrian standing on the southeast corner of the University Drive and Nagle/Ireland intersection may cross Ireland when the westbound University Drive traffic receives a green indication (but not while the westbound left turning traffic has a green arrow indication).
The One Way sign for traffic coming out of the garage will be addressed by TAMU. They are also looking for any available funds to help in adding the pedestrian signals requested. As soon as we hear from TAMU about funding to address this issue, we will post that information here.
If you have any questions, please contact me at bmoore@cstx.gov or at 764-6262.
I.R. (Registered User)
Thank you very much for the update. I am glad to see that you and other people involved gave a good consideration to this problem.
I understand that the budgets are tight, and other physical challenges can be present, but I hope it can be figured out if people in charge are sufficiently motivated to do it.
However, I respectfully disagree with the Traffic Engineer's response.
The problem for the pedestrians stems from the fact that from either SE or SW corner they cannot see the traffic signal for the oncoming traffic from both direction of University Dr. You cannot tell if the green arrow is on or off if you are a pedestrian standing on the corner.
One can only guesstimate. And it was described in my original report: "there is no indication for the pedestrians crossing Ireland St. about the phase of the traffic light. "
I understand that sometimes it is hard to realize such fact by looking at the blueprints.
Please, ask the Traffic Engineer to go to the intersection by foot and to try crossing Ireland
street in both directions.
Again, thank you for your efforts, and, please, keep it up!
trother (Guest)
Thank you for your understanding of the constraints. We are currently evaluating the possibility of installing pedestrian signals at this intersection. When the intersection was designed by the Texas Department of Transportation many years ago, the pedestrian likely wasn’t as predominant a design criterion as they are today. Additionally, the extensive width of University Drive also plays a part in limiting the pedestrians’ visibility of the traffic signals.
While I was at the intersection, I observed several pedestrians crossing Ireland when the eastbound traffic on University Drive had a green light. At the intersection, I stood on the pedestrian ramp of the southeast corner and could see at least a portion of the red indication for the University Drive westbound left turning traffic, as well as the green indication for the eastbound traffic. Standing on the pedestrian ramp of the southwest corner of the intersection, I could see the green indication for the eastbound traffic.
We will get pedestrian signals installed as soon as we can, but until then, pedestrians can use the traffic signals to determine when crossing Ireland is allowed.
If you have additional questions, please contact me at trother@cstx.gov or at 764-3690.
I.R. (Registered User)
Dear Trother: Thank you for the update and for your efforts!
Just a quick comment:
You can make that judgement on when to cross, when you know what the different phases of the traffic light are and you know what to look for. (That's how I've been crossing Ireland.)
Most pedestrians don't think about that, and as a result, in the absence of easily visible light indication, just walk when they see a gap in the turning traffic. This is especially dangerous, when they are crossing from the SE corner, and see the traffic starting to move straight, and when there are no cars in the turning lane. In that case, the cars that appear in the turning lane later and start their turn (still on a green arrow light), risk to encounter pedestrians crossing their way. When that happens at the end of the green turning light, - it becomes even more dangerous: the east-bound traffic is about to start moving, and the turning car's driver can be stuck in their way, while letting the pedestrians to complete crossing, even though the turning car had the right of the way.
Keep in mind that now, during the summer, the flow of the people on campus is much smaller than during the regular semester. So, the situation described occurs more often in Fall and Spring than now.
So, I am looking forward to those lights installed (especially for those occasions when I am the driver, turning left or driving straight onto Ireland St.
PS. I have an impression that the intersection was redone very recently- within last 2-3 years, although, probably without any changes in the design.
Closed ADA- CSTX (Verified Official)
Reopened I.R. (Registered User)
I.R. (Registered User)
[Again, the web-board ate a part of my posting starting with the quotation marks.]
Bmoore wrote:
>> The One Way sign for traffic coming out of the garage will be addressed by TAMU. They are also looking for any available funds to help in adding the pedestrian signals requested. As soon as we hear from TAMU about funding to address this issue, we will post that information here.
As of yet, no updates passed from TAMU were posted here. And I see plenty of cars driving wrong way on the one-way Ireland street, turning left from the parking garage.
So, the issue should not be closed until it is either resolved, or it is decided that neither TAMU nor the city is going to do anything about it. (But even then, it should be hanging here as a reminder that it has not been resolved).)
The same applied to the issue with the light.
ADA- CSTX (Verified Official)
Thank you for you concern about this issue. I will check with our Traffic Engineer to see if he can further address your concerns regarding this pedestrian crossing. I will post his response, as I did before, here for review.
Thanks,
Barbara Moore
Neighborhood Services Coordinator
I.R. (Registered User)
Dear Barbara,
The last message from you was 9 months ago (that's long enough for a human baby to be born).
The issues are still not addressed/updated.
I.R. (Registered User)
CS & A&M MUST place clear signs: "no left turn", "no entry", and "one way road" in front of the exit from the garage to Ireland street.
ADA- CSTX (Verified Official)
Good Morning,
Thank you for this information. This issue has been reported to the City Traffic Engineer and the Asst. Director for Planning & Development Services, as he is responsible for all Northgate operations, including the parking garage. As soon as I have a response or proposed action from them, I will post the information here on SeeClickFix.
Thank You
ADA- CSTX (Verified Official)
Closed ADA- CSTX (Verified Official)