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Be very careful crossing the tracks on your bike. Go slow and cross perpendicular to the rails. Signage is desperately needed. See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elmcitycycling/message/8023
Forbes Ave,New Haven,CT 00

submitted by Mark
almost 2 years ago

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Ben wrote on 09/10/2008 at 04:57PM
I believe we have a public official that can attest to the perils of bike vs. train tracks here. I believe that public official also watches this website. A little help Mr. Anonymous public official? :-) I also know another person who was injured here for this very reason.

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Mark wrote on 03/04/2009 at 04:52PM
Not fixed yet. Signage and road markings are really needed before someone dies while crossing this. An astonishing number of people have been injured trying to cross these tracks. This is a major designated city bicycle route, and the only real viable connection from the East Shore to Downtown New Haven. Consequently, it is used by many first-time cyclists, including many people who are new to the city.

wrote on 03/04/2009 at 05:44PM
Image of sign

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Suggested crossing plan for when bicycle routes cross diagonal tracks. Source: http://www.tfhrc.gov/safety/pedbike/pubs/05085/chapt14.htm

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Oregon signage

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jo wrote on 03/04/2009 at 06:37PM
yes, the railroad tracks need paint markers and signage! and this beautiful bridge is dangerous to cyclists; i ride across on the sidewalk because the cars speed too wildly..

Kira wrote on 03/04/2009 at 06:38PM
Yes, I agree this needs attention. My boyfriend and I ride over the bridge twice/day and it is a major hazard.

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Mike wrote on 03/05/2009 at 09:22AM
This is the only way into or out of New Haven by bike from East Haven and the Shoreline. It is horribly unfriendly to bikes. Simple fixes can make a huge difference here! Please do it!

wrote on 03/05/2009 at 09:23AM
please fix this, its BAD

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ben wrote on 03/05/2009 at 09:26AM
I agree, Please do something about this.

eE wrote on 03/05/2009 at 09:29AM
I've been with 2 riders when they went down there. Yes, fix!

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Anstress Farwell wrote on 03/05/2009 at 09:46AM
This is an extremely important issue. Safe ways for bikes and pedestrians to move between the center city and the east shore are important now, and will be even more critical when construction of the Q-bridge commences. The demand for alternative transportation modes and pathways will be even greater with construction congestion. This needs to be fixed and protected as a secure route before the Q-Bridge project goes any further.

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Resident wrote on 03/05/2009 at 10:07AM
$1 billion on the Route 1 and I95 (q bridge) and not a dime for cyclists/pedestrians? CRAZY! fix it now

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Brian Tang wrote on 03/05/2009 at 10:38AM
Why not reconfigure the lanes so that there's one travel lane in each direction, a turn-out lane in the middle, and 6-or-7-foot-wide bike lanes on the shoulders. That's what the standard industrial arterial road looks like on the west coast. Multiple lanes in the same direction just allow people to change lanes and cut in front of each other. Minimizing the choices drivers have to make can reduce chaos on the roads, lowering the chance of collision and only moderately decreasing travel speeds.

Preston Wiles wrote on 03/05/2009 at 10:39AM
THis is a very dangerous rail crossing. Many many cyclists have gone down here, both those who didnt know about its reputation and those who did and took precautions.

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Mark wrote on 03/05/2009 at 10:57AM
"THis is a very dangerous rail crossing. Many many cyclists have gone down here, both those who didnt know about its reputation and those who did and took precautions." I think that says it all. Anyone who minimizes the danger of the track crossing is woefully misguided. Brian's suggestions RE: the bridge would work, or just narrowing the lanes that are there to create a buffered lane for cyclists (image of a buffered lane at left). The improvements would be best if they at least stretched back to East Street and included intersection treatments there - as bad as the bridge itself and its high speeds are, the East Street/Route 1 intersection is potentially just as bad, for the simple reason that the multi-modal traffic volumes are so high. These issues represent a huge barrier preventing our neighborhoods from coming together. Portland, Oregon has great examples of what to do on major bridges, as Brian could point out. Here is some additional background: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elmcitycycling/message/9183

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Mark wrote on 03/05/2009 at 12:34PM
The bridge design is obviously a longer discussion, and there would be many needs for transportation planners to assess, including the financial cost of doing things like widening a sidewalk for a mixed-use trail (that may be too expensive as a short-term option). Design isn't a black or white issues - buffered lanes are successfully used in many other places, and not used in others. The key is to make it possible for everyone to cross safely, even families who are cycling along with young children in tow (like on many of the Arts & Ideas festival tours). The bridge is a small part of a much larger network of hundreds of miles of roads, so if implementing a safer crossing means that you have to slow down drivers or cyclists temporarily to get them safely across, then that might not necessarily be the worst choice. Anyways, let's get the issues on the table and fixed as soon as possible (preferably before the weather gets nicer and Q-bridge construction starts) - the time for discussing specific design measures would be later!

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Augustine Filomena wrote on 03/05/2009 at 01:39PM
Last fall I was riding with a group and two people fell, the got cut and brused up. This is a very serious problem thank goodness they were not hit by the cars that were following close behind. Please fix this!

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Mark wrote on 03/05/2009 at 02:55PM
The fact that almost 100 different people have voted on the need to "fix" this issue, not to mention the personal testimonies of so many local citizens who have seen their friends fall here and become injured, is an indication that this problem is probably worse than anyone realized. And this is just among a small percentage of the population using SeeClickFix!

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Mark wrote on 03/05/2009 at 03:25PM
David, I wasn't responding to you - that was just a general comment for "SeeFixers" about the fact that about 100 people have "SeeClicked" the issue in the past 24 hours :) Hopefully this will help spur people to take additional action so that the issue can be addressed before the weather gets warm again! I am calling my legislators and the Governor about the issue. Sorry for any misunderstanding David.

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matthew wrote on 03/05/2009 at 07:33PM
this is by far one of the worst obstacles in the city or anywhere. it needs to be mended.

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Lisa wrote on 03/05/2009 at 10:07PM
I've found that the only way to avoid getting your tire stuck along side the rail is to ride across it which inevitably puts the rider into traffic. SCARY on this bridge, especially since there are large oil tanker trucks coming away from the depot there.

wrote on 03/06/2009 at 12:59PM
You can contact the DOT about safety concerns here: http://www.dotdata.ct.gov/contacts/contact.aspx

Captain Kickstand wrote on 03/07/2009 at 06:31PM
Something should be done to make this intersection safer; I'll leave the 'what' to the experts and the decision-makers but I have seen several experienced cyclists fall crossing those tracks. Riding over them in a group--even a small one--introduces another variable in addition to the volume and speed of local traffic. There are two issues at work; first, the dangerous RR crossing and second, the inhospitable nature of the road. Personally, I've had more than one close encounter with an angry motorist on that bridge, but would be reluctant to be shuttled onto some kind of half-assed segregated bike path. However, I would feel very differently if I was riding across it regularly with children as I have done on several occasions when guiding bicycle tours. Any chance of a conversation with the relevant state and city officials?

wrote on 03/08/2009 at 05:48PM
Good idea RE: a conversation

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jeffb wrote on 03/08/2009 at 07:53PM
Please fix this. How many people have broken bones here? I can name some.

ben wrote on 03/08/2009 at 09:21PM
I submitted this to Conn Dot via their webform but I have never received response from that form. Lets see what happens.

Nursick, Kevin J wrote on 03/09/2009 at 09:39AM
We have been contacted directly by members of the public regarding the Tomlinson Bridge. We are in fact reviewing the issue, and will be responding to those who have contacted us, pending the completion of our review. Kevin

Ben wrote on 03/09/2009 at 09:44AM
Kevin, can you post information as to how people can reach you guys on issues like this? It would be excellent if you would create a watch area on this site with your information or at least post that info here. There is growing frustration in Greater New Haven from many members of the public that the state is inaccessible and unresponsive. Please browse this site to see all of the other issues on your properties related to poor maintenance, graffiti, and dangerous areas for cyclists and pedestrians. Thank You.

Ben wrote on 03/09/2009 at 10:09AM
If you would keep this post updated as well with what is going to happen you will be alerting all of the people that have clicked they "want this fixed too" and have commented on the issue. Thanks in advance for your attentiveness to the situation.

Mark wrote on 03/09/2009 at 10:38AM
Kevin: Thank you for opening a review of the road configurations. Are you looking into the bridge design, or just the railroad crossing (or both)? We appreciate your attention to these issues as soon as possible. Thank you again! Mark

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Chris wrote on 03/09/2009 at 11:17AM
There is a clear need, plenty of money already, and plenty of space to do the right thing here and make this crossing and overall route safer for everyone. Personally, I would never ride with my kids out to Lighthouse Point from the west side because of this specific issue. Kevin, thank you for looking into this. Please keep everyone here posted on the progress you and your colleagues are making in the coming weeks. Can you share the timeline and process for your review? Chris

Mark wrote on 03/09/2009 at 11:32AM
Chris, by "plenty of money" do you mean that you think that a very small portion of the $1 billion used for the two highway bridges should be diverted to creating a truly safe and convenient bicycle/pedestrian infrastructure between Downtown New Haven, East Shore and all of the eastern suburbs of the city? Do you think the DOT would listen to a proposition like that? Spending $1 billion on highways to cross a small river, but in the process creating a huge obstacle for the huge proportion of NH residents who don't drive to work every day, seems like something that should be addressed. Particularly if the site is just going to get worse over the next 5 years due to the $750M+ Q bridge project.

Chris wrote on 03/09/2009 at 06:03PM
Yes, absolutely. Thanks for advancing my thinking. Of course, whether DOT will entertain a proposition like that, I don't know, but the ask ought to be made - perhaps by the city or SCRCOG, with the support of all the folks and more who would like to see these necessary improvements made.

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Mark wrote on 03/10/2009 at 10:19AM
That's a good idea, Chris - the city is probably following this, could they push that question as well? Commissioner Joe Marie from ConnDOT is presenting at a national "sustainable transit" panel with Chris Dodd this month in Washington -- perhaps he would want to call the Q-bridge project back for a review in order to show that when the government spends nearly $1 billion to get cars across a small harbor, it needs to do a better job incorporating pedestrians and cyclists. 1% of the project budget would be more than enough to create a viable connection here for the majority of NH residents who don't drive to work every day.

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Mark wrote on 03/18/2009 at 11:57AM
I did some investigation and found out that the Waterfront Street crosswalk, the one that continues in the direction of the bridge sidewalk towards the neighborhood and which is seriously faded, is in fact a ConnDOT responsibility. I hope that it will be restriped as soon as the warmer weather hits (April-October is the window for epoxy paint). Word is that DOT is apparently looking into fixing the railroad crossing (great!), with a report due around April 1st. They are not currently looking into addressing the bridge situation overall. In other words they aren't convinced that the speeding on the bridge, or the lack of attractive ped/bike facilities, is a serious issue. If you disagree with the DOT and would like to see the bridge situation addressed, please send your comments to http://www.dotdata.ct.gov/contacts/contact.aspx. Yes, DOT actually reads these comments (and if you have time, you can copy them here so that other citizens can refer to them).

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wrote on 03/20/2009 at 02:34PM
Street view image courtesy design new haven

wrote on 03/29/2009 at 06:04PM
Article about this in today's NH Register http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2009/03/29/news/ctbikes.txt

Brian Tang wrote on 03/29/2009 at 07:16PM
I took some photos of bike/ped bridge accommodations while I was back home in Portland over spring break. I forgot about them until I saw the Register article. Here's the first (click to enlarge).

Brian Tang wrote on 03/29/2009 at 07:25PM
[2nd photo of Portland bike/ped bridge accommodations] This is the lower deck of the Steel Bridge in Portland, OR. As you can see--like the Tomilson Bridge--the Steel Bridge carries railway tracks. It is the oldest bridge in Portland and one of the oldest operating drawbridges in the West. On the top deck, it accommodates light rail, buses, cars, and trucks in a total of four lanes.

Brian Tang wrote on 03/29/2009 at 07:37PM
[3rd photo of Portland bike/ped bridge accommodations] I chose to focus on the Steel Bridge because the bike/ped path where I'm standing was recently added as a retrofit. In this photo you can see how they attached the new pathway to the 97-year-old structure.

Brian Tang wrote on 03/29/2009 at 07:42PM
In Vancouver, WA, USA--the suburb of Portland where I grew up--we have an angled railroad crossing in an industrial area where they direct bicycles up onto the sidewalk in exactly the manner shown in the Federal Highway Administration diagram included above (see Mar 4th post or top of clicket). I'll ask my mom to take a photo of it next time she has a chance.

Brian Tang wrote on 03/29/2009 at 07:55PM
Oh wait...never mind. I just took a look at the google maps street view and I guess this is an example of a false memory. I always used ride up onto the sidewalk and then back down into the bike lane in order to come at the tracks at a more perpendicular angle. I could have sworn there was a sign telling bicyclists to do that, but I don't see one in the photo. At any rate, as you can probably guess from this photo, it is a lot less scary to ride on this street than Forbes Ave, even though the traffic is essentially the same (lots of huge trucks driving 55 mph).

Brian Tang wrote on 03/29/2009 at 08:02PM
This is this sign, though, which must be what I was remembering as prompting me to go up onto the sidewalk, even though it's hard to see how I interpreted it that way in retrospect.

Brian Tang wrote on 03/29/2009 at 08:31PM
PS. In response to snow/ice issue raised in the Register article, I'm pretty sure the steel/concrete plating visible in the photo above is safe for trains in all weather conditions. Also, here are side-by-side aerials of the two crossings. I'll let you decide what conclusions to draw from them.

Brian Tang wrote on 03/29/2009 at 08:55PM
Here's what they did in North Portland where the bike lane had to cross the light rail tracks (path of cyclist shown in red in bottom aerial).

Brian Tang wrote on 03/29/2009 at 09:10PM
In case it wasn't clear from the aerials, the bike lane actually transitions into a bike path (sidewalk for bikes), which then comes to a right-angle turn just before the tracks. The sharp curve forces cyclists to slow down (so they don't get run over by the light rail trains) and brings the path to a right angle with the tracks.

Brian Tang wrote on 03/29/2009 at 11:32PM
In the comment about the sign in Vancouver WA, I meant to say "There is this sign," not "This is this sign." I appologize for any confusion that may have created.

Resident wrote on 03/30/2009 at 02:02PM
Great photos Brian. The Register article said that the DOT would be putting up a small plaque below the RR Xing sign. Given all of the distractions in this area, that seems insufficient.

bridge user wrote on 03/30/2009 at 05:24PM
Photo of current condition of sidewalk. Too narrow for any meaningful use, littered with slippery glass and debris, ending abruptly at the cross street. Small poles stick out from the concrete and are tripping hazards. Trucks and cars whiz inches by at 60MPH, threatening to decapitate passerbys with their mirrors.

Brian Tang wrote on 03/30/2009 at 05:38PM
There should be a law against sidewalks that narrow on a busy street like this.

Mark Abraham wrote on 03/31/2009 at 02:31PM
I agree with Brian. Can someone file an issue with the DOT on their web form and ask that they look into widening this sidewalk? It is a serious issue here.

wrote on 03/31/2009 at 04:34PM
file complaints here http://www.dotdata.ct.gov/contacts/contact.aspx

traffic watcher wrote on 04/08/2009 at 01:00PM
Is the promised DOT report on the rail road delayed?

traffic watcher wrote on 04/08/2009 at 01:00PM
also is the dot going to do anything about that ridiculous sidewalk?

Resident wrote on 04/20/2009 at 09:57AM
Why is there a delay on the DOT's report? Can someone please post it if it becomes available? This needs to be fixed ASAP. It is not something to sit on.

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Resident wrote on 04/24/2009 at 07:58AM
Still nothing from them? Why does it take so long to look at such a dangerous road situation?

per wrote on 05/19/2009 at 11:45AM
what's the deal with conndot? i heard they had promised a report on this by the end of march. they'r just s itting there waiting for someone to die before fixing it no?

Rachel wrote on 05/19/2009 at 01:43PM
please fix this soon!

Tom Petersen wrote on 05/20/2009 at 12:07PM
This is very dangerous. I have been a part of bike accidents at this crossing.

Resident wrote on 06/26/2009 at 12:28PM
Still haven't seen any signage here.

Sally wrote on 06/30/2009 at 09:46AM
This is a tragedy (or two or three) waiting to happen.

Larry wrote on 07/01/2009 at 05:57AM
On 6/26 I noticed that there was a Caution sign [see Oregon sign picture] installed, however, I was driving when I saw it. I think it may be mounted too high for a cyclist to see it. I remember a few years back that caution warnings were painted in the roadway on the approach, this is where most cyclists would see it. I have not fallen at this spot, but I personally know some that have. The alternate rout is the Ferry St bridge, but that has an open steel deck with nubbies.

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wrote on 07/05/2009 at 01:44PM
I feel like ConnDOT and the city transportation department should be legally required to provide accommodations for bicyclists and pedestrians of all ages and abilities on urban streets the same way that business owners are legally required to provide accommodations for the disabled though the Americans with Disabilities Act. I feel like this was the intent of the Complete Streets bill unanimously passed by the Board of Aldermen. Judging by the Whitney Ave fiasco, the Complete Streets policy might not be as legally binding as we thought it was. My question for the RR crossing is whether the state might be liable for injuries or damage to bicycles resulting from inadequate bicycle accommodations on Forbes Ave at the railroad crossing. After all, if the entrance to a business or public builing is accessible only by stairs (i.e. no wheelchair ramp is provided) I am pretty sure they are not allowed to just post a sign saying "CAUTION: Stairs not recommended for disabled persons" and call it good; they have to actually provide a safe alternative. My guess is that the State would point to the sidewalk as the "safe" alternative, claiming that bicyclists should dismount and walk their bikes the mile or so across the river. I find this a rather weak legal arguement and suspect it wouldn't hold up in a civil suit. Who knows? Are there any lawyers in the house? Is this a sound legal arguement?

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J.B. wrote on 07/05/2009 at 02:04PM
I'm pretty sure that if a cyclist were serious injured on that crossing they would not have too much trouble suing the State and/or DOT for the cost of their medical expenses and any lost wages. With the state DOT's deep pockets there are probably plenty of lawyers that would take the case in a second.

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Jim wrote on 07/06/2009 at 10:15AM
There's an article on this in the Register today http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2009/07/06/news/new_haven/a1_mon_necycling_art.txt

Jim wrote on 07/06/2009 at 10:16AM
One of many, many dozens of serious and even near fatal accidents at this site The road is a mess. It should be closed immediately. if there were this volume of car accidents within 3 square feet of road, that's what DOT would do. but apparently they don't think cyclists lives are worth a @#$%.

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J.B. wrote on 07/06/2009 at 11:35AM
" 'James Newman, acting engineering administrator at the state Department of Transportation, in an e-mail to an Elm City Cycling member, said “it was not possible to improve the rail crossing geometry given the constraints of the location.' When the DOT says something is "not possible" it's their way of saying that even though it's been done successfully elsewhere, they haven't done it themselves and have no interest in learning how. Given the fact that they are one of the least respected DOTs in the country, their arrogance is astounding. You'd think an agency with a track record as blemished as theirs might consider being open to new ideas rather than clinging to failed policies of the past. "

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Lara wrote on 07/07/2009 at 07:38AM
I recently broke my arm crossing these tracks. Please fix it.

Gray wrote on 07/07/2009 at 09:06AM
The Chinese can build a huge highway bridge in a few months but we can't immediately fix a tiny strip of pavement? I don't believe that.

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wrote on 07/07/2009 at 10:09AM
the two scars on my shoulder are healing nicely; a year after the fact. Yet the problem is not fixed! Does anyone have a contact at the Register or WTNH so a story can be done? this is ridiculous that nothing has been done (no sign, no colored pavement denoting a hazardous feature, etc)

wrote on 07/07/2009 at 01:54PM
that foto of the current condition of the sidewalk is incredable.

Resident wrote on 07/08/2009 at 10:05AM
Interesting drawing.

ben wrote on 07/08/2009 at 11:36AM
I'm missing how this addresses the challenge of crossing the track?

puzzled observer wrote on 07/08/2009 at 11:50AM
What's with the DOT? The public has demonstrated the need to fix the safety hazards at the bridge, and offered great, commonsensical, and economic suggestions for how to do it. Should concerned citizens call for a public hearing? A friend of mine was very badly injured here. Why is the state willing to leave a hazard in place?

cyclist wrote on 07/08/2009 at 06:21PM
could a route from waterfront street turning onto forbes be incorporated? that's the main bike route to lighthouse pt etc (though rt 1 itself is also widely used)

wrote on 07/09/2009 at 09:53AM
Are the "dinner plates" in the lane of traffic, or off on the shoulder somewhere?

Sara wrote on 07/13/2009 at 09:16AM
Very cool. I like when they are made out of inlaid brass, but I suppose that could make them vulnerable to theft and more expensive.

Resident wrote on 07/14/2009 at 11:27AM
I like Puzzled's idea of a public hearing. Would anyone like to set one up?

puzzled observer wrote on 07/14/2009 at 11:49AM
To ask for a Board of Aldermen hearing, write to its President, Carl Goldfield. He could assign it to either the Public Safety Committee or the City Services and Environmental Policy Committee. Carl Goldfield: Ward29@newhavenct.net

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wrote on 07/16/2009 at 02:14PM
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Resident wrote on 07/27/2009 at 07:18PM
This is as dangerous as ever. It's very sad that it's impossible for our government to take quick action even when lives are so clearly at stake.

WIMBY! wrote on 07/27/2009 at 09:53PM
The warning signs are incomplete; they forgot the MUTCD placard that's supposed to go beneath that says "abandon all hope, all ye who dare cross these tracks."

Mark Abraham wrote on 07/27/2009 at 10:32PM
Juli, I suggested exactly that to the DOT when I heard they were planning signs. Despite the fact that I ride this road regularly and my extensive pleas for them to reconsider their position, they were simply not willing to listen. Hopefully, continued pressure from the city and residents will create new opportunities for improvements.

wrote on 08/05/2009 at 12:00PM
please fix!

Ben wrote on 08/18/2009 at 03:26PM
Crossed over the tracks last night. The situatuation has gotten much worse. There are orange barricades that force you right into line with the tracks. Can these be adjusted better...more people are going to get hurt. Also, the signs are not noticeable to cyclists who are focusing on a high traffic high speed road.

Resident wrote on 08/18/2009 at 04:04PM
I agree the signs are pretty much useless. Can't ConnDOT come up with a better solution? Don't they get that this is a main route where dozens have been seriously injured?

wrote on 08/27/2009 at 11:27AM
Would the DOT be open to adding more signs?

Brian wrote on 08/18/2009 at 03:42PM
What are the barricades for?

wrote on 07/08/2009 at 01:39PM
[revised drawing] A second bike signal on the right might help to alert bicyclists coming toward the tracks that they need to pull over, push the button, and wait for the bike signal to turn green.

wrote on 07/08/2009 at 11:57AM
The bike signal push button would trigger the all-red ped phase at the intersection of Waterfront and Forbes (just behind the viewer in the drawing). The bike signal would then change from red to green and the bicyclist would have an empty road on which to follow the white dots safely over the train tracks, into the left-hand lane, and then back into the right-hand lane. After an appropriate length of time, the bike signal would change to yellow, then red, and the overhead signal at the intersection would change back to green for automotive traffic.

wrote on 07/08/2009 at 10:53AM
the signal head visible on the left side of the drawing (with the sign adjacent to it saying "BIKE SIGNAL") is a bike signal similar to the one pictured in this photo (included with this comment).

wrote on 07/08/2009 at 09:55AM
[drawing of bike signal with "dinner plate" advisory bicycle pavement markings] thoughts?

wrote on 07/09/2009 at 10:15AM
Here's a photo of a "dinner plate" that I spotted on a sidewalk/bike path near the Brooklyn Bridge in New York City.

wrote on 07/09/2009 at 10:10AM
I printed out the drawing, colored in the travel lanes, and then remembered that I only have a black and white scanner. I hope this is helpful.

Mark Abraham wrote on 07/07/2009 at 11:07AM
According to the DOT, the new signage (similar to the first photo on this thread) will be installed by the end of the day tomorrow. To the injured person above -- there have already been two recent pieces in the Register on this. I'd encourage you to call WTNH and other stations, though, as they might do a TV piece too. If you aren't willing to be in the piece, I'm sure they could talk to some of the same people who were quoted in the Register feature piece - see http://www.nhregister.com/articles/2009/03/29/news/ctbikes.txt. There are plenty of people who are willing to speak out about this! You should also mention that the Governor signed the "Complete Streets" bill into law last weekend, which requires bicycle and pedestrian accommodations on all roads (with few exceptions, certainly a road like the Tomlinson that is the only connection between New Haven and the east side of the city would not be excluded). Please continue to post information and more details on this thread so that we have good documentation. It's great the signs are going in, and hopefully we'll see even more progress very quickly. I know that the Tomlinson Bridge has become an issue of concern to the city, too, and that they're looking into longer term solutions. This has even been highlighted nationally: http://dc.streetsblog.org/2009/07/07/clicking-to-connect-with-government-and-get-things-fixed/

Mark wrote on 06/30/2009 at 02:02PM
I have heard that signage similar to the one pictured above in the 03/04/2009 at 05:44PM post should be installed in the near future. Also, last time I talked with them, some folks from Elm City Cycling were looking into other possible next steps.

Mark wrote on 05/28/2009 at 11:59AM
It sounds like the DOT will be installing a little bit of new signage here, but not addressing any of the other issues that the community has raised. The next course of action may be to call state representatives and Governor Rell about the DOT's inability to address this major problem. Anyone else have thoughts about what to do next?

Mark wrote on 05/20/2009 at 12:22PM
Please remember to put in comments to http://www.dotdata.ct.gov/contacts/contact.aspx if you haven't already. Comments related to the entire bridge/sidewalk issues, not just the rail crossing (which DOT has already acknowledge is an issue) would be helpful. Thanks Kam for copying everyone here on the comments.

Mark wrote on 05/20/2009 at 10:51AM
I called the DOT to check in on the status of the report that they had been working on. Will post when I hear more about this.

Mark wrote on 06/13/2009 at 01:44AM
On low-speed, lightly traveled railroad tracks, commercially available flange way fillers can eliminate the gap next to the rail. The filler normally fills the gap between the inside railbed and the rail. When a train wheel rolls over it, the flange way filler compresses. This solution, however, is not acceptable for high-speed rail lines, as the filler will not compress fast enough and the train may derail. -ConnDOT Bicycle Design Guidelines, Page 42 I don't believe that this is a high speed, heavily traveled rail line. In fact I have never seen a single train use it in over 10 years of living here.

Streever wrote on 07/07/2009 at 10:20AM
if you've been injured here, PLEASE file an intent to sue the state. you don't actually have to sue, and it lets them know that we are serious.

Streever wrote on 07/06/2009 at 07:15AM
Yet another cyclist went down there--a very experienced cyclist--because the cyclist in front of her crashed. Broke her wrist. Off the bike for 6 weeks. Thanks DOT. Thanks City of New Haven.

Streever wrote on 03/05/2009 at 03:17PM
Mark, is it a slow work day? :) No, really, I'm not debating that this is a dangerous RR street crossing! I added myself to the list of people too, and have been pushing for this for years. I don't understand why you keep posting "proofs"? I fully agree. I'm not sure why you seem intent on "establishing" the danger here? as you wrote, it's self-evident. I was going to call you earlier to try to explain because I think you must misunderstand me, but couldn't find your #. I don't think SCF needs to be a debate platform. Give me a call if you still think I'm opposing you on this! 203 843 1866. I'm a little surprised by the volume of your response.

Streever wrote on 03/05/2009 at 01:08PM
Hi Mark, Sorry, I'm not trying to debate you. I'm fully aware of what you're saying, & appreciate your POV. Just sharing mine, also. I'm saying that I personally do not favor a buffered lane like you propose. That's all! No need to explain design to me, but I appreciate you taking the time. Thanks.

streever wrote on 03/05/2009 at 11:21AM
To the best of my knowledge, no one has dismissed that the rr crossing is dangerous :)! I think that has been acknolwedged on all levels. Brian, can you post some of those examples? I think that a buffered bike lane isn't really sufficient for the class of users incapable of riding on this bridge safely. Let's also note that this is state property, so anything that we can think of will have to meet/exceed CT State requirements. I'm a big fan of any of the possibilities for the rr crossing, but not so enthused about the bike lane concept for the bridge. I think widening the sidewalk & making it a mix use is probably a safer device in practical terms: if the problem is a callous disregard for safety/life as has been attested to, I'm not sure that some paint--even with bollards--is going to be the safest or best possible solution. I think it'd be better to continue the "standard" which may be established when the routes from downtown to the park area are established: there may be an opportunity for an off-street (i.e. widened mix-use sidewalk much like by IKEA, and commonly used through Madison WI very, very effectively). I think bike lanes are counter to the policy of Complete Streets--they take a class of users off the road/street--but in order to address the very real safety concern here, I think it's probably worth considering an off-road mixed-use path, that allows cyclists to continue to use the road if they so desire, but gives them a safer option off the street. I think when you put in a bike lane--especially a clear, buffered one--you restrict cyclists choices & abilities, and send a mixed message to drivers. Just as an aside, I rode this bridge 3-4 times a week for several months, at the height of commute time, & did not personally feel in danger. It was part of a mid-week "New Haven to Middlesex valley" Century route I rode once a week throughout the summer, using this bridge every morning between 8 & 9 AM. I had no close calls & no panicked moments here... I would personally feel safer & part of the street scape continuing to ride in the street, & if we remove 2 full traffic lanes for a buffered bike lane, we essentially remove that option from myself & the large number of commuter/recreational cyclists I see clipping along at 20 mph here. A serious danger--to me--is the RR Crossing which is long over-due for a fix.

Streever wrote on 03/05/2009 at 10:07AM
It's a no-brainer. Although, I've ridden the bridge at many hours, and never felt particularly in danger, I can see where an inexperienced cyclist may feel endangered. Not really much of a fix though, except a seperate path (such as widening the sidewalk). Does anyone have a real fix for that issue? There are plenty of fixes for the railroad tracks, which have caused any number of accidents....

Kam wrote on 04/03/2009 at 01:38PM
At the suggestion of the previous commenter I submitted a complaint. I would encourage everyone else to do the same. Feel free to copy my entry if you want. -------------- Report to CT DOT -------------------- Location: Westbound Route-1 / Forbes Ave on the east side of the Tomlenson bridge / Quinnipiac river. (http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=41.296284,-72.902294&spn=0.00109,0.002071&t=h&z=19) This intersection is extremely dangerous for cyclists. The rail road tracks for the port cut across the roadway at an angle that makes riding treacherous and hazardous for bicyclists. I have commuted by bike in three different cities around the country. I am also an avid recreational road cyclist. This is by far the most dangerous intersection I've encountered. Thank you for your attention. I await your swift reply. -Kam

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Mark wrote on 09/02/2009 at 02:10PM
If you are concerned about the issue of cars parked on the bridge and blocking the sidewalks (or just want to report cars parked there), which is a frequent occurrence, someone has opened a separate issue. Head over and vote. http://www.seeclickfix.com/issues/7750

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Mark wrote on 09/09/2009 at 08:17AM
Another cyclist was recently injured on the bridge, according to http://www.seeclickfix.com/issues/7750 - ironically a week after reporting the issue.

Mark wrote on 09/10/2009 at 08:46AM
"Hit cyclist joins Tomlinson Bridge Club" http://www.newhavenindependent.org/archives/2009/09/bridge_claims_a.php

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Brian Tang wrote on 09/13/2009 at 01:51PM
Because bridge roadways are often especially dangerous, it is not at all uncommon for bikes to be routed onto the sidewalk (i.e. transitioning from a bike lane to a sidewalk-level bike path—a.k.a. “cycle track”). In fact, I had never seen it done any other way before moving to the east coast. In doing this, the important thing is to make it 100% clear where bikes are supposed to be. For example, the street markings on the Broadway Bridge in Portland, OR direct bikes directly from the bike lane up onto the sidewalk (see aerial photo from bing.com/maps: http://bit.ly/lHAk1). The Morrison Bridge in Portland is currently being retrofitted to widen the sidewalk on one side from 5 ft to 15 ft by eliminating one travel lane. (shortened link to project website: http://bit.ly/1pDrea). This 15-ft sidewalk will serve bi-directional bike traffic and I think it would probably be the closest model for the Tomlinson Bridge. Bike riders are not required (nor intended) to dismount while riding on cycle tracks, as they are basically considered bike lanes that just happen to be located at the sidewalk level as opposed to the roadway level. There are two major engineering obstacles to accommodating bi-directional (non-dismounted) bike traffic on the Tomlinson Bridge sidewalk: First there is the problem of safely getting bicyclists traveling toward downtown on the East Shore side of the bridge from the right-hand side of the road to the left-hand side where the sidewalk/shared-use path is located. I recommend that this be accomplished using a bike signal at the RR crossing that would halt all traffic and permit bikes to cross Forbes Ave at a diagonal, riding from the right side up to the sidewalk on the left-hand side. Conveniently, this would also solve the problem of the awkward geometry of the RR crossing. The second problem is that the Forbes Ave right-of-way narrows down substantially between the RR crossing and the bridge itself, perhaps to as narrow as 40–50 ft (don’t quote me on this, as I’m just eyeballing it from aerial photos). I honestly have no idea how to overcome this problem, seeing as how there are huge gas tanks preventing CTDOT from having any realistic prospects of widening the right-of-way. The only think I can think to do would be to eliminate at least one travel lane to widen the sidewalk. This would unfortunately leave us with a 60 ft roadway on the bridge itself and only two or three lanes to fill it. Perhaps the extra space on the bridge itself could be used for on-street parking for the fishermen? This seems unlikely, as you wouldn’t want to have a situation where you need to lift the bridge and there’s a car parked on it. I, for one, am stumped. It’s too bad the ROW narrows down so substantially at the gas tanks on the east side of the bridge/the roadway widens so substantially on the bridge itself and on the west side of the bridge. Any ideas?

Arie wrote on 09/14/2009 at 08:07AM
Just saw a guy crash his bicycle Sunday morning 09-13-09 on those tracks due to his tires getting stuck in the ruts.

Mark wrote on 09/14/2009 at 03:12PM
News today that ConnDOT is conducting some investigation into the issue: http://www.newhavenindependent.org/archives/2009/09/field_tested_bi.php The note refers to the problem "taking a long time." I think everyone should contact their elected officials and see if they can get ConnDOT to fix the situation sooner, before more people are injured. People are falling here on a weekly if not daily basis and it's only a matter of time before something very serious happens again.

David Streever wrote on 09/22/2009 at 06:28AM
ConnDOT has reported that they believe they have solved this problem. With the signage they put up 3 months ago. The steady accidents that have not leveled off seem to disprove this? Maybe it's time to get in touch with your legislators and ask them to push on this.

Ben Berkowitz wrote on 09/22/2009 at 07:12AM
Hey David Good Call. Who is the state rep for this area? Bob Megna?

wrote on 09/22/2009 at 09:57AM
i would call every legislator in new haven about this. especially pat dillon, marty looney and toni harp.

Jason Stockmann wrote on 09/26/2009 at 09:57AM
A cyclist took a spill while approaching the tracks from the east during the Critical Mass ride on 09/25/09. If 125 random riders crossed the tracks and 1 fell, you could infer that there is about a 1% chance of an accident each time a bicycle crosses the tracks. As accident rates go, that's astronomical.

wrote on 09/26/2009 at 11:52AM
That's a scary video, Jason.

Mark wrote on 09/26/2009 at 02:21PM
Note from a friend, 9/26/09: "on the yale ride today, two riders went down here."

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David Streever wrote on 09/27/2009 at 03:27PM
jason I think there were 185 cyclists--still a good chance of getting hurt, but a testament to how many people feel strongly about this that 185 riders showed up to ride it.

Resident wrote on 09/27/2009 at 04:34PM
Saw black car going about 95 miles per hour in the westbound lane this weekend, continuing down Water street. Literally. That proves more than just about anything that the design of the bridge is horribly inadequate. Please narrow the lanes so they don't look like a superhighway and add speed restrictions. Thanks.

wrote on 09/28/2009 at 12:05AM
NH Independent's captioned version of the video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I203BujG6XQ

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Matt wrote on 09/28/2009 at 08:21PM
In 10 years of daily commute by bike, both in new haven and San Francisco, this is the only place I have gone down on my bike - excluding being hit by a car. This is an exceptionaly dangerous crossing and it is shocking that it remains unfixed after all the efforts being made by the many concerned folk here and elsewhere.

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SJB wrote on 10/01/2009 at 09:34AM
General question for those that commute or regularly travel the Tomlinson Bridge: if improvements were made to the nearest alternate route (Chapel Street - Ferry Street - Quinnipiac/Fairmont Aves - Woodward or Townsend - Forbes) would you use that as an alternative? No question that this extremely hazardous bridge needs to be corrected, but I'm wondering whether this issue can also be used as leverage to push for the city or DOT to invest in a complete street through Wooster Square, Fair Haven, and the East Shore. Something many of us would like to see anyway.

wrote on 10/01/2009 at 09:51AM
i wouldnt use the alternate route because it is far less direct.

tp wrote on 10/05/2009 at 03:01PM
I fell on these tracks in aug of 07. My Left shoulder is still not right. Did some damage to my rotator cuff that was told will probably require surgery to repair. A MUST FIX for cyclists coming in and out of New Haven.

Mark wrote on 10/05/2009 at 03:25PM
TP, would you be interested in a class action lawsuit? There are certainly a few dozen people who have suffered similar injuries and would join you. The neglect of the state and city in pushing for safe infrastructure here is absolutely astounding.

RR wrote on 03/05/2009 at 09:25AM
I agree. This is a very dangerous crossing. I know many experienced cyclists who have gone down on these tracks, even after having crossed them many times in the past!

Mark wrote on 10/27/2009 at 11:32AM
Has anyone heard back from their legislators on this? I know that a number (from New Haven and elsewhere) were contacted and had committed to look into the issue.

wrote on 11/09/2009 at 11:49PM
No progress on this. Amazing how DOT can ignore these types of safety hazards. City just got $1,100,000 to improve "security" at the port, can some of it be used to address the bridge too?

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wrote on 11/29/2009 at 08:45PM
I hear the city is getting dozens of millions of dollars for the port stuff... why not take 0.01% of that to make the city's east side and eastern suburbs accessible to pedestrians and bikers? why does everything have to go towards terrorism?

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Mark wrote on 12/01/2009 at 03:22PM
Anyone have details on the construction taking place in this area?

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wrote on 01/04/2010 at 08:03PM
Acknowledged By Transportation, Traffic and Parking Department.

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resident wrote on 02/11/2010 at 05:50AM
any progress on this disaster of a bridge? is it in the city's bike plan

Mark wrote on 02/19/2010 at 06:42PM
Beautiful photo of the Tomlinson posted today on the NH Independent. It's too bad that the bridge is completely unattractive and so often unusable, or downright dangerous, for the majority of our road users.

Jason S. wrote on 02/19/2010 at 10:01PM
With the spring cycling season approaching, this issue will soon rise to prominence in local dialog. I'm going to try bringing it before the CT Bicycle and Pedestrian Advisory Board to see if they'd be willing to throw their weight behind a letter to tHe DOT demanding an immediate solution to the problem. The Board is new and it's purview and powers are still being worked out, but it would be a good first crusade for the board to pursue all the way to a solution.

Mark wrote on 03/09/2010 at 06:39PM
Through 2015, the state is spending a billion dollars on the Q bridge and related construction directly adjacent to this bridge. If they took 1% of that funding (as required by the state's Complete Streets law, signed into law in 2009), that would be more than enough to fix the Tomlinson Bridge and make it more attractive to cyclists and pedestrians.

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Lisa wrote on 03/17/2010 at 03:08AM
I actually chose fair Haven Hts to move to over Morris Cove, mainly bec my husband bikes downtown to work, and we were terrified of T Bridge! It would really behoove Cove residents to try to get this dealt with!

Justin Elicker wrote on 03/24/2010 at 12:47PM
This issue came up at the City Plan Commission meeting last week. I spoke with the City Engineer and we're working on getting the old tracks removed by the state and potentially getting them paved over in the meantime. I'll keep you informed. Justin Elicker Ward 10 Alderman justin.elicker@gmail.com

wrote on 03/25/2010 at 01:57PM
get off your bike and walk across the tracks. Should the city also mark out all the curbs, trash, potholes, and people so you can avoid them? We need more education to city riders to; 1. stay out of traffic and let vehicles by 2. pay attention to train tracks and other hazzards 3. have fun

Brian Tang wrote on 03/29/2010 at 04:30AM
Thanks of the update, Justin! That is excellent news! Mark or Jason, have you emailed out that update to the ECC list? I bet a lot of people would be interested to hear that the city is actually making progress with the state DOT.

Justin Elicker wrote on 03/29/2010 at 02:58PM
Just a bit more info on this: There are new sections of track that are going to be installed on Waterfront Street to access several of the industrial facilities. These tracks will pose problems similar to those at the Waterfront/Forbes tracks because they curve across the road. In the City Plan Commission meeting I was able to add conditions to the application that the project contain bicycle-specific safety signage (such as the sign that has been put in at the Waterfront/Forbes) and make every effort to ensure the track installed includes infrastructure to address the needs of bicycle access and safety. I believe it's important to allow train access to these industrial facilities to reduce the amount of truck traffic that currently exists there. Unfortunately, the dimensions of the road require a curved track. With that in mind, let's do the best we can to have these tracks in place but make sure the road is safe for cyclists as well. Dick Miller (City Engineer) and Al Paolillo (the Alderman in the ward) have been very supportive on the issue. I'll keep you informed as things progress. Justin Elicker Ward 10 Alderman justin.elicker@gmail.com

wrote on 04/17/2010 at 05:50PM
before the long-term is figured out, could the roads be painted with a caution leading to the tracks on both sides during this road painting season? it seems like a small thing to ask if it could prevent very likely injuries.

Mark wrote on 06/03/2010 at 04:26AM
Justin, this issue is about the extremely dangerous situation on the Tomlinson Bridge, not the new tracks being installed several blocks down. Has any progress been made on this?

Brian Tang wrote on 06/04/2010 at 12:03AM
Here’s what I would do. It would require very minimal additional paint and would not require the removal of any existing striping. The basic idea is to temporarily get rid of the right-hand lanes in order to make space for bike lanes designed to Federal Highway Administration standards for angled railroad crossings (see diagram and link above). This would only be an interim solution until a more permanent solution can be devised.

Brian Tang wrote on 06/04/2010 at 12:35AM
If you have Google Earth (which you can download for free here: http://earth.google.com/), you can view my proposal by opening this .kmz file: http://www.box.net/shared/vh9e00i0m8

Justin Elicker wrote on 06/16/2010 at 03:46PM
Hi All, The progress on this issue has been depressingly slow. Al Paolillo, the alderman representing this ward, and I sent a letter to the State a few months ago requesting that the old tracks be removed. Dick Miller, City Engineer, has also been in contact with the state. I checked in on the issue about two weeks ago and Dick said he would contact the state again. I'll see him tonight and ask him. I share everyone's frustration that issues such as this one take so long to address. Justin Elicker Ward 10 Alderman justin.elicker@gmail.com

Zak Stone wrote on 06/16/2010 at 04:01PM
Any email contacts for a state official whom we could add as a watcher of this issue?

juli wrote on 07/27/2009 at 08:53PM
it really does take a considerable amount of time to establish yourself in the center of the road and slow the traffic behind you so that you can take these tracks at the right angle. it is honestly a leap of faith. when placing these signs on the road, there has to be significant warning WAY before the tracks so that bicyclists can take the lane before it is too late. not a solution, but something to help in the meantime...

Mark wrote on 06/17/2010 at 04:07AM
Thank you for looking into this, Justin. Brian's solution seems to be viable as a short-term fix to the crossing issue, as it would only require a minimal striping budget. The bridge would have more than enough capacity with one lane.

Chris Barlow wrote on 06/27/2010 at 11:10PM
Following up on the latest ECC Digest (No. 2446) regarding the Tomlinson Bridge RR Tracks. I was crossing the tracks last September on my return trip during the Folks on Spokes ride, caught my front wheel and went down. I wound up cracking a rib in the fall. If you don't cross the tracks just right, it's likely that you are going to go down too. Even then it could be hit or miss since there doesn't seem to be a right way to cross the tracks since it also depends on where exactly you cross.

Steve Brown wrote on 06/27/2010 at 11:20PM
And, another serious injury today. It is nothing short of criminal negligence that the state refuses to take action to remedy a known hazard like this. This isn't a case of "someone could get hurt." People HAVE been hurt. The problem is well documented, multiple solutions have been researched and documented, and the state has been fully informed of all of the ins and outs of this issue. If motorists were repeatedly getting into crashes resulting from an improperly constructed roadway I find it hard to believe DOT would look the other way like this. I'm sure when a cyclist dies here, the problem will be fixed the next day, but I pray it doesn't come to that. Given their intransigence I think it's getting to the point that we should begin exploring legal recourse against the state to force a resolution. If someone gets killed here I would consider the state responsible.

Mark wrote on 06/28/2010 at 03:12AM
Yes, there was an injury here today, due to the tracks, that was quite severe. More info will be posted here when available. I agree with Steve - perhaps a group of local residents impacted by the bridge design could march down to the state DOT's offices on Chapel Street?

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Jason Stockmann wrote on 06/28/2010 at 06:35PM
I just created a Wikipedia entry on the Tomlinson Bridge. I include a section on the "Railroad Crossing Controversy." I would encourage SCF users to edit the page and add to the list of injuries that are inventoried there, always including a web link to documentation of the the injury. Good sites to comb for documented injuries include SCF, DesignNewHaven, the New Haven Independent, and the New Haven register. The injuries list will help us prove to the Providence & Worcester Railroad and ConnDOT that the crossing poses an unacceptable threat to cyclists. Here is a link to the entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomlinson_Lift_Bridge

Natalie Spicyn wrote on 07/02/2010 at 11:11PM
As a fourth-year medical student, I would like to see this fixed too.

Shannon Knudsen wrote on 07/02/2010 at 11:30PM
It's important to the safety of bicyclists as well as drivers that bikes have enough space on the roads. Sometimes I feel like it would be safer to ride on the sidewalk because there just isn't enough room on the road for me to be safe. I don't ride on sidewalks but I've had too many close calls with cars and one accident. Please consider the safety of cyclists.

Shannon Knudsen wrote on 07/02/2010 at 11:32PM
My above comment was in reference to Whalley St.

Melissa VT wrote on 07/02/2010 at 11:52PM
Bike lanes on Whalley are necessary as they are on every road.

Kelly Forbush wrote on 07/02/2010 at 11:55PM
Please fix this issue!

Jan wrote on 07/03/2010 at 12:18AM
What about a sky crossing for pedestrians and bicycles or the train can go underground? Too bad so many people still get injured :(

Mark wrote on 07/07/2010 at 12:19AM
It's amazing that this issue is still open, even after 2 years of documentation, advocacy and many more serious injuries. I'd like to know exactly how many calls our City government has put into DOT and state legislators about this. Are they really backing up local residents, or just resisting change?

juli wrote on 07/09/2010 at 11:02PM
i think it is time to bring more attention to this issue. phone calls, letters, and these comments seem to be falling on deaf ears. i plan to stand at this site on monday evening to challenge inaction. join me. i will be there at 5:30. i will bring some markers and signs. press welcome.

Demo wrote on 07/10/2010 at 04:02PM
Hey Juli, I created a community action item. You should schedule the event at the top of this issue on the website.

This was posted on New Haven listserv wrote on 07/12/2010 at 07:14PM
Apologies for the omission: Meet at the RR tracks for both events. On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Juli Stupakevich <julioccasionallychecksthis@gmail.com> wrote: An informal press release by a concerned citizen. Concerning the Tomlinson Bridge Railroad crossing, I've proposed a protest in regards to the lack of progress on this intensely dangerous situation. Despite: -numerous documented injuries spanning two years (some of them severe, even by experienced cyclists, i.e. a broken femur) -being the only crossing between East Haven and New Haven, making it a highly-travelled route by cyclists -being listed on the Official Bike Route of New Haven -being listed on the East Coast Greenway Trail Route -acknowledgement of the severity of the problem by the City of New Haven's Traffic and Parking Dept. and City Engineer The only proposed solution by the P&W Railroad is to post signs warning cyclists of the presence of the tracks. This is an unacceptable solution. We demand: -speedy installation of flange way fillers for a short term solution before another person is needlessly injured -consideration of bike lanes and narrowed travel lanes for a long term solution to connect New Haven to East Haven TWO EVENTS ARE PLANNED: Monday July 12th at 5:30 pm Tuesday July 13th at 5:00 pm (for those who will be absent due to the regularly scheduled Elm City Cycling Meeting at City Hall) More information can be found here: http://seeclickfix.com/issues/1300 Sincerely, Juli Stupakevich (contact me with questions at julioccasionallychecksthis@gmail.com)

juli wrote on 07/13/2010 at 03:57PM
great job to all that joined. please join us this evening at five pm. some press: http://www.newhavenindependent.org/index.php/archives/entry/cyclists_protest_lame_solution_to_dangerous_crossing/

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Annelies Gamble wrote on 07/13/2010 at 08:43PM
A blog was written about this issue on the SeeClickFix website. Check it out! http://seeclickfix.blogspot.com/2010/07/issue-1300-tomlinson-bridge-protest.html Thank you very much for being active members on the SeeClickFix website. Best, Annelies The SeeClickFix Team

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juli wrote on 07/14/2010 at 06:34PM
join us again on thursday at 5pm (whenever you can make it, before 7)

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Mark wrote on 07/15/2010 at 04:56PM
Thank you Juli. Please come out at 5PM today! BTW, here is the information about how this stretch of road is designated as a primary bicycle route: State Bike Route http://www.ct.gov/dot/lib/dot/images/ibikes/b3_big.gif : Zoom in to see the Tomlinson Bridge designated as the primary recommended "Cross State" bike route. http://www.ct.gov/dot/cwp/view.asp?a=1390&q=292876 City Bike Route http://www.cityofnewhaven.com/cityplan/pdfs/EnvironmentalInitiatives/Greenways/BikeMap_Front.pdf Tomlinson Bridge is designated as a "recommended [on-road] bicycle route for cycling around New Haven, focusing on routes that connect New Haven's neighborhoods while enjoying as many calm, wide, and scenic streets as possible." There is also another summary of these developments posted at http://www.newhavensafestreets.org/2010/07/dozens-of-injured-at-treacherous-rail.html

dnh wrote on 07/15/2010 at 07:06PM
Response from the PWRR corporation: "P&W is not responsible, "directly" or otherwise, for the situation. The roadway, the Tomlinson Bridge and the right-of-way over which P&W operates are ALL owned by the State of Connecticut. The situation presents several issues including the placement of signs, the possible necessity of resurfacing the roadway, the suitability of "flange fillers" and, of course, the attendant financial issues."

Ethan Hutchings wrote on 07/15/2010 at 07:31PM
Resurfacing is key to alleviating the inherant risk of crossing the tracks while on a bicycle, motorcycle or moped. Just adding flange fillers in asphalt is a temporary fix due to the fact that asphalt will erode in a short period of time. The clear solution is to construct a concrete foundation to eliminate the potential for wear and tear in the short term. Concrete will also assist in providing necessary traction for two wheeled vehicles. Some railroad crossings use metal plates but this would only add to the problem of limited friction when the surface is wet due to inclement wheather. There have been too many accidents to implement a temorary fix to the problem.

dnh wrote on 07/15/2010 at 08:28PM
Is this what you have in mind, Ethan?

dnh wrote on 07/15/2010 at 08:37PM
Trying to post image.

Ethan Hutchings wrote on 07/15/2010 at 08:53PM
Sorry, did you mean to attach an image? I'm not seeing anything.

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Mark wrote on 07/20/2010 at 07:18PM
A orthopedic surgeon at Yale-New Haven sent the following letter to ConnDOT and the Railroad this past weekend. It is just one of dozens of letters sent by CT residents over the past few weeks, imploring ConnDOT to immediately fix the tracks before more residents are severely injured or killed. --- TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN, My name is Connor Telles, I'm an Orthopaedic Surgery Chief Resident at Yale New Haven Hospital who has been directly involved in the care of MANY patients injured by the dangerous situation with the tracks near the harbor/route 1 bridge. In fact I took care of a lovely 25 year old female with a broken pelvis this weekend from just that RR crossing. I have had friends hurt as well. I myself ride from the Annex/East Shore park area daily to work. It is less than ideal. Something needs to be done ASAP. THIS IS A LAWSUIT WAITING TO HAPPEN. Any way I can be of help let me know. And please emai/call me regarding what has been done to address this (and signs don't fix the problem). Connor Telles

Brian Tang wrote on 07/20/2010 at 08:23PM
Mark, I drew up a mock-up of the temporary fix you suggested (steel plates).

Ethan Hutchings wrote on 07/20/2010 at 08:34PM
Please explain the use of steel plates. How would they be a benefit, especially if they become wet? a temporary fix would be just that, temporary. Especially (if what I am interpreting is correct based on your sketch Brian) when the plates are removed as the train starts operating again.

Mark wrote on 07/20/2010 at 10:01PM
Ethan, They could be paved over with non skid asphalt. See the technical literature at TransAlt, as well as the governments of San Francisco and NYC's City Codes, among other places. The point of the plates is that installing them, or removing the tracks altogether, would resolve the situation until ConnDOT figured out a way to design a road that didn't severely injure dozens of people. ConnDOT and the railroad have had more than two years to take action on this, and they haven't. Since people continue to be seriously injured on a weekly basis, so it's time for an immediate resolution.

Ethan Hutchings wrote on 07/21/2010 at 01:48PM
You can't seriously be considering stopping the use of the tracks. That will derail (ha) the whole argument. Asking for that would be a kick in our caboose (sorry I can't help it now). This is not a viable request. This is what is referred to as "the little engine that can't"

Jason S. wrote on 07/21/2010 at 02:17PM
I agree with Ethan that the railroad likely won't go for a solution that involves burying the tracks in concrete or asphalt. I think laying steel plates over the tracks in a tiled pattern, as shown in Brian Tang's rendering, is the best short term fix. The plate surface can be serrated, knurled, or otherwise treated to increase friction so that it is not hazardous in the rain.

Ethan Hutchings wrote on 07/21/2010 at 02:33PM
If there needs to be a temporary fix, it needs to also incorporate the movement of the train coupled with an application that provides a safe crossing for cyclists. Steel plates will halt the train. Cyclists dismounting from their bikes is not a workable compromise. There needs to be another solution until a long-term permanent solution can be installed, such as a concrete foundation to eliminate erosion around the rails.

Steve Brown wrote on 07/21/2010 at 02:36PM
THERE ARE NO TRAINS.

Ethan Hutchings wrote on 07/21/2010 at 02:56PM
Not at the moment, due to construction.

Brian Tang wrote on 07/21/2010 at 05:08PM
Ethan, the steel plates are intended as a short term fix until this phase of construction is completed and the full roadway width is again available for use. At that stage, recommend transitioning to the angled bike lanes, combined with weekly TLC for the asphalt condition in the area of the two bike lanes. The angled bike lane scenario with weekly asphalt TLC is itself intended as a temporary fix until DOT and/or the railroad can prepare plans for a new trackbed covering and put it out to bid. If the new trackbed covering includes flange fillers, then the temporary angled bike lanes could be removed and Forbes Ave could be widened back to four lanes. If the new trackbed covering does not include flange fillers, the angled bike lanes will remain, but the weekly maintenance will no longer be necessary. When we say “steel plates are a short-term fix,” we don’t mean something that can be implemented over the next few months, we mean something that DOT can implement within 48 hours. The rest of the timeline depends on DOT’s construction schedule and how quickly they can design and bid out a new trackbed covering.

Mark wrote on 07/21/2010 at 05:13PM
Stopping the constant, predictable level of severe injury of cyclists and motorcyclists needs to take precedence over the railroad (especially when it is not in use, but even if it were not). Ideally we can do both, but this needs to be fixed immediately either way. During construction, the road must be made safe for travel. Clearly, it currently is not. A temporary, immediate fix will give time for ConnDOT to work out a more permanent solution that can make the crossing safe, and is acceptable to the railroad. Eventually the entire bridge must be turned into a "complete street" since the crossing isn't the only problem here. Brian's suggestion is workable as an immediate solution. The plates can be removed, and reinstalled as needed. As I mentioned above, there are guidelines and city codes on this in many other places.

Jason Stockmann wrote on 07/21/2010 at 05:24PM
I agree with Mark that the plate surface can be treated so as to remain relatively safe to cyclists even when it is wet. I plan to show Brian's rendering of the plate tiling at the upcoming meeting between ECC, the City, the DOT, and the P&W. Personally, I'm having a hard time imaging how an angled bicycle lane would work on such a busy auto and truck route. I think flange fillers along with a mat of concrete or rubber around the rails will solve the problem. When the P&W says that flange fillers on curved tracks could cause derailments, what they really mean is that they can't be troubled to replace the flange fillers every few years due to winter deterioration. They're trying to evade responsibility for properly maintaining the tracks. Given ConnDOT's role in approving a flawed design, the agency should share some of the costs of flange filler maintenance with the P&W.

Jason Stockmann wrote on 07/21/2010 at 05:30PM
Photo showing the decrepitude of the pavement around the tracks.

Mark wrote on 07/21/2010 at 05:42PM
Continued coverage of injuries, track issues, in the 7/21/10 New Haven Register: http://nhregister.com/articles/2010/07/21/news/doc4c4668864bf33841083033.txt I've written a reply to ConnDOT, regarding their comments on the issue, here: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/elmcitycycling/message/11568

Brian Tang wrote on 07/21/2010 at 05:43PM
Jason, I assume you mean that an angled bicycle lane without flange fillers would not be a good solution in *long term.* A temporary angled bike lane, combined with weekly asphalt maintenance is the best *medium-term* scenario I can think of for the time period between when the steel plates are removed and the flange fillers are installed. Once flange fillers are installed, the temporary angled bike lane can be removed and Forbes Ave can be widened back to four lanes.

Mark wrote on 07/21/2010 at 05:59PM
Brian, when Forbes Ave is widened back to four lanes, could a "road diet" be used so that an angled bike lane fits? Combined with other traffic calming measures, this could be a good step towards the longer-term goal of building a "complete street" at the bridge and surrounding streets.

Brian Tang wrote on 07/21/2010 at 06:42PM
Yes, Mark, that is exactly what I am suggesting as an interim stage between the removal of the steel plates and the installation of flange fillers.

Ethan Hutchings wrote on 07/21/2010 at 06:50PM
I see. Sorry for the confusion. I misunderstood.

Brian Tang wrote on 07/21/2010 at 06:51PM
Jason, could you post a photo of flange fillers, as well as your photo of the Omni rubber trackbed covering?

Brian Tang wrote on 07/22/2010 at 07:42PM
Stage 1: Steel Plates. These are to remain in place until the completion of this stage of construction and reopening of the railroad tracks.

Brian Tang wrote on 07/22/2010 at 07:44PM
Stage 2: Angled Bike Lane. To remain in place from the removal of the steel plates until the installation of flange fillers. If flange fillers cannot be installed, the angled bike lane shall remain indefinitely.

Brian Tang wrote on 07/22/2010 at 07:46PM
Stage 3: New Trackbed Cover. If the new trackbed cover includes flange fillers, the angled bike lane may be removed and Forbes Ave may return to four lanes. If flange fillers cannot be installed, the angled bike lane shall remain and Forbes Ave shall remain two lanes.

Brian Tang wrote on 07/22/2010 at 07:48PM
(I spotted an error in the timeline. Here’s the corrected version).

Mark wrote on 07/23/2010 at 05:03AM
Thanks, Brian. I think we have a road map for moving forward.

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Ducky wrote on 07/23/2010 at 11:19PM
Thank the cute girl in the road who brought me to this issue. It would be nice to see this fixed (and see her again somewhere, lol).

Brian Tang wrote on 07/24/2010 at 03:19PM
Elm City Cycling has revised its Stage 1 recommendation for the period before the tracks reopen. The recommendation is now for a layer of asphalt separated from the tracks by felt.

Brian Tang wrote on 07/24/2010 at 03:28PM
Here is an updated timeline. For printable copies of Elm City Cycling’s most up-to-date recommendations for the Forbes Ave railroad tracks, please visit http://www.elmcitycycling.org/tomlinsonbridgemee/

juli wrote on 07/26/2010 at 03:37PM
has the DOT been notified of this potential deadline?

Jason Stockmann wrote on 07/26/2010 at 03:40PM
I'll pass along Brian's timeline and staged remedy suggestions in advance of Thursday's meeting.

Brian Tang wrote on 08/05/2010 at 07:52AM
Elm City Cycling board member David Streever has posited the idea of widening the sidewalk on the south side of Forbes Ave in order to create a 12'-wide multi-use trail. I have attached a video of a bridge sidewalk that was widened in order to create a multi-use trail. Bicyclists wishing to get to the trail from westbound Forbes Ave would cross diagonally across the intersection of Forbes and Waterfront Street on an exclusive bike/ped phase (see my discussion of bicycle signals, above). Diagonal crossing with exclusive bike phase works pretty well; in fact, I happen to have ridden through the very first intersection in America with that configuration on the next leg of my commute just after riding across that bridge. Five different cyclists were passing through the intersection at the same time and it worked fine. (Coincidentally the bike route then passes over three sets of light rail tracks a block later, without incident, to my knowledge). One advantage of the diagonal crossing from a westbound bike lane on the north side of Forbes to the trail on the south side of Forbes is that it would put cyclists at much closer to a perpendicular angle crossing the tracks, dramatically reducing the risk.