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Please be more descriptive in your post. I assume this is a timing issue with the traffic signal at Grove & Temple, is this correct?
Grove Street all the way up. As a light turns green the one in front of it turns red. Traffic backs up all the time. Where did the 4 million go for traffic light timing repairs ????
The funding is still here. It's an on-going process that takes time.
This seems to be an issue all over the city. Has anyone ever driven downtown for more than 20 or 30 seconds at a time? The lights on State St. are outrageous!
See last post for comment.
Will the lights be re-timed to support 15 mile per hour travel design speeds?
Due to its unnecessarily width and one-way design, Grove Street has been repeatedly identified as a street with major speeding concerns, and there have been a number of injuries and damaged properties in the area.
I can't imagine that they're supporting any consistent speed at all, since the last time I drove here, I literally had to stop at each light.
You sit at one. It turns green. Almost instantly, the next one turns red.
I can't imagine that traffic calming policies are aimed at creating traffic.
Mark, I would really like to see some documentation to support your claims about Grove Street such as; Who or what group identified it as a speeding area.??? I have lived here for 30 years and have NEVER been able to go more than 2 blocks at a top speed of 27 mph.
The only injuries would be from JAYWALKING YALIES am I right??. All the properties bordering Grove Street are Yale's Brick Buildings, what property damage are you refering to???
Also, how does that compare to other streets in New Haven's down town area.??
The same came be said for all the streets as Elm and Church are wider than Grove.
Of course the funding is still there as it obviousely hasn't been used yet. Of course it takes time, my question is has anything been done???
I frequently see close calls here where drivers whip around the corner from Temple to Grove without yielding to pedestrians crossing with the green light. There are no pedestrian signal heads at the intersection of Temple and Grove; pedestrians are legally supposed to cross with the green light. This means that pedestrians and turning vehicles have the green at the same time. When this occurs, pedestrians have the right of way, yet few (no?) drivers seem to understand this fact. I ended up having to give an impromptu lecture on CT traffic law to a driver who honked at pedestrians who were (correctly) crossing with the green light and caused him to have to stop before turning onto Grove. He took it well and admitted he was wrong. The moral of the story is that you should never expect to have the right of way while turning unless you see a green turn arrow.
Brian Tang - you are correct , in fact pedestrians ESTABLISHED in a crosswalk always have the right of way whether at a light or not. The exception is stepping off the curb into traffic without enough time for a car to stop(essentially cutting off the car). I explained that to a pedestrian who though just jumping out in front of me in a crosswalk with one of those signs was ok.
I advise you to be VERY careful attempting to confront people- I have had people jump out of their cars for beeping my horn at a green light, had someone pull a baseball bat out of their trunk because they turned in front of me from the middle lane and when reported to police they didnt have the time to followup.
ALWAYS LOOK BEFORE CROSSING. SAME RULES AS ATRAIN CROSSING. if the car can't stop in time its going to hurt !!!
Same guy: Stand on Grove with a speed camera on any night for more than three minutes and then tell local residents that there isn't a speeding problem here. Like I said, a large group of local residents walked the area last year and identified every section as a major problem.
I'll agree with you that speeding (if you define it as travel speeds of greater than 25 miles per hour) isn't so much a problem between Church and Temple, where there are two lights -- it is really more of a problem between Temple and Broadway, where there are wider lanes and long stretches with no lights. In this area, especially at night, you will commonly find vehicles traveling at highway speeds.
Mark I still disagree with you- how fast can u possibly go in one block ??? You still have not identified anything but local residents who DONT LIVE ON GROVE STREET !!! Lobby to close off traffic to DT new haven if u are such a pedestrian proponet. Again you must not drive-20 yrs can't go more than 2 blocks w/o getting a red light- BTW highway speeds take more than 2 blocks to attain evben on a motorcycle
Pedestrians are not always right:
Sec. 14-300. Crosswalks. Pedestrian-control signals. Regulation of pedestrians and motor vehicles at crosswalks. Pedestrians who are blind or have guide dogs. (a) The traffic authority shall have power to designate, by appropriate devices or markers or by lines upon the surface of the highway, such crosswalks and intersections as, in its opinion, constitute an especial danger to pedestrians crossing the highway including, but not limited to, specially marked crosswalks in the vicinity of schools, which crosswalks shall have distinctive markings, in accordance with the regulations of the State Traffic Commission, to denote use of such crosswalks by school children; and may maintain suitable signs located at intervals along highways, particularly where there are no sidewalks, directing pedestrians to walk facing vehicular traffic.
(b) At any intersection where special pedestrian-control signals bearing the words "Walk" or "Don't Walk" are placed, pedestrians may cross the highway only as indicated by the signal. At any intersection where traffic is controlled by other traffic control signals or by police officers, pedestrians shall not cross the highway against a red or "Stop" signal and shall not cross at any place not a marked or unmarked crosswalk. A pedestrian started or starting across the highway on a "Walk" signal or on any such crosswalk on a green or "Go" signal shall have the right-of-way over all vehicles, including those making turns, until such pedestrian has reached the opposite curb or safety zone.
(c) Except as provided in subsection (c) of section 14-300c, at any crosswalk marked as provided in subsection (a) of this section or any unmarked crosswalk, provided such crosswalks are not controlled by police officers or traffic control signals, each operator of a vehicle shall grant the right-of-way, and slow or stop such vehicle if necessary to so grant the right-of-way, to any pedestrian crossing the roadway within such crosswalk, provided such pedestrian steps off the curb or into the crosswalk at the entrance to a crosswalk or is within that half of the roadway upon which such operator of a vehicle is traveling or such pedestrian steps off the curb or into the crosswalk at the entrance to a crosswalk or is crossing the roadway within such crosswalk from that half of the roadway upon which such operator is not traveling. No operator of a vehicle approaching from the rear shall overtake and pass any vehicle the operator of which has stopped at any crosswalk marked as provided in subsection (a) of this section or any unmarked crosswalk to permit a pedestrian to cross the roadway. The operator of any vehicle crossing a sidewalk shall yield the right-of-way to each pedestrian and all other traffic upon such sidewalk.
(d) The operator of a motor vehicle who approaches or comes into the immediate vicinity of a pedestrian who is blind, as defined in subsection (a) of section 1-1f, carrying a white cane or a white cane tipped with red, or a pedestrian being guided by a guide dog, shall reduce speed or stop, if necessary, to yield the right-of-way to such pedestrian. No person, except one who is blind, shall carry or use on any street or highway, or in any other public place, a cane or walking stick which is white in color or white, tipped with red.
(e) The operator of any motor vehicle who violates this section shall be deemed to have committed an infraction and be fined ninety dollars.
(f) In any civil action arising under subsection (c) or (d) of this section or sections 14-300b to 14-300d, inclusive, the doctrine of negligence per se shall not apply.
Sec. 14-300b. Pedestrian use of crosswalks and roadways. (a) Each pedestrian crossing a roadway at any point other than within a crosswalk marked as provided in subsection (a) of section 14-300 or any unmarked crosswalk or at a location controlled by police officers shall yield the right of way to each vehicle upon such roadway. Each pedestrian crossing a roadway at a point where a pedestrian tunnel or overhead pedestrian crossing has been provided shall yield the right-of-way to each vehicle upon such roadway.
(b) No pedestrian shall cross a roadway intersection diagonally unless authorized by a pedestrian-control signal or police officer. When authorized by a pedestrian-control signal or police officer to cross an intersection diagonally each pedestrian shall cross only in accordance with such signals or as directed by such police officer. No pedestrian shall cross a roadway between adjacent intersections at which traffic or pedestrian-control signals are in operation except within a marked crosswalk.
(c) Each pedestrian crossing a roadway within a crosswalk shall travel whenever practicable upon the right half of such crosswalk.
(d) A violation of any provision of this section shall be an infraction.
Same guy: I have driven this area for more than 10 years. The section I referenced is much more than one block in length. When lights are green, it is very easy for drivers to reach illegal speeds. I have also watched speed radar guns in the area and even speeds of twice the speed limit are common.
traffic SHOULD be slowed down. by lights, by changes in infrastructure, by HUMAN BEINGS living in their city.
if you don't want to wrestle with traffic downtown, remove yourself from it. walk. bike. take a bus.
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