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While this curve may be dangerous, I am under the impression that this PJStar article provides the biggest explanation to the accident, Drunk Driving: http://www.pjstar.com/news/x334976241/Alleged-drunk-driver-in-hospital-after-crashing-car
Thankfully your son survived this accident and has since learned to only drive while sober.
Well I have to admit I thought the drinking was the only cause but thank god for Google Maps. After zooming in on the location I quickly determined there was more to this than that PJ Star article "which by the way wasn't totally correct". If you haven't seen this place I really think you should take a look. I can assure you I have plenty to do to keep me busy. And I am not looking to sue anyone. There is a reason why the accident happened here and not somewhere else he drove that night. Don't get me wrong I don't condone drinking and driving, but people are going to do it, they will also text, drive while tired etc. I think everyone should have the right to feel that roads will follow some sort of uniform construction and marking system. This road is almost like following asphalt paved to a cliff.
If this accident would have happened on a properly marked and constructed road I would lay all the blame on drinking. If you follow my links you will find many pictures of this area. Judge it yourself. Please make sure all your young drivers are aware of this place. At night it is very hard to see the bridge as you appproach it. It changes from 2 lane to a one lane bridge with absolutely no warning.
Let's just say there was a sign that said "Dangerous Curve" or "Slow One Lane Bridge 500 feet". Just that may have helped avoid this accident. My son was very lucky. Someone else may not be. They do not have to be drinking to crash here. A liittle too much speed and being unfamiliar with the hazard ahaed is all that is needed.
My son is a typical young man. He does not drink all the time. He went out after work on a Friday night t happy hour. It is easy to think "ah, that kid is a drunk and it is his own fault." He holds and Engineering Degree and has a good job. Don't sweep this under the rug. There is a real problem there that needs to be addressed before somebody does get killed.
I am hoping to get some good discussion going. All I can tell you is that if this roda existed near me it would be fixed or closed.
Here is an additional point for all the arrogant people that come here to belittle others that have made mistakes, and then disappear back into the shadows of the internet...
Knowing that people drive impaired (even under the legal limit) don't you think that the roads should at least be accommodating? Call it idiot proofing if you want. I mean that is why there are signs, lines, speed limits, and barriers in the first place. In case of mistakes (accidents). A road without any of these things, especially one with a drop off can basically be considered a death trap... Regardless of how many or what types of accidents occurred there.
If you came here to bash Eric about drunk driving then get involved with a local group and help people before they do it. Otherwise you should stay off of these pages and possibly the internet. The danger of this road is what should be recognized here and there is no doubt that it is.
P.S. I don't know many minivans full of families driving around on haggard back roads in Peoria at 3:00am...just saying.
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Beforreal; I can agree that sometimes people go to the internet for opinions. However I still rest my case because you have not offered any opinions on the road itself. Only about drunk driving...which is not the actual topic.
Also, you shouldn't assume that there have not been other issues on this road just because you did a couple google searches. you should look at the pictures and video and make your own decision, or better yet, go there and drive on it.
The comment about blogs and the internet being only for opinions is just silly. I, as well as most other people can form perfectly good opinions (as you have proven)...but its FACTS that not everyone has...
OPINION: Drunk driving is the only reason an accident would happen on this road...
FACT: This road is more dangerous when compared to other roads.
Thanks for your comment. I'm not asking them to fix the bridge. Also, if I thought alcohol was the only problem here I wouldn't be doing this. Signs do not cost much. Mark the road private, one lane bridge ahead, slow dangerous curve. Anything will help. I am just being proactive here. Trying to lessen the chance of an injury here.
If you read previous posts you will find that I do an great deal of driving. Most of which is in PA, OH and WV. I drive on many back roads and I have have never seen this type of negligence on a public road.
For those who want an honest opinion on this road and bridge. I had traveled this road and crossed the bridge almost daily for over 25 years day and night. I, as the previous poster said, only know of 3 accidents all involving alcohol. No one died! I read the article about the alleged DUI and a blood-alcohol content of 0.178 percent. From what I know that reading was from blood taken at the hospital. Maybe someone with some medical knowledge could tell us what that would have been at the time of the crash since people at the scene said it was somewhere around 1 1/2 hours or more before he was found and transported. Do the people posting here think they or anyone can reasonably operate any vehicle safely at that level, including reading signs.
Your son made a mistake and gladly the only one who paid for the mistake was him. The accident was not because of the road, bridge, or signage. It was because your son drank too much.
The bridge, by the way, has been closed since March. Not sure it was all due to your postings here but I suspect it had a lot to do with it.
Now the people in this little valley are not only inconvenienced but are being put at greater risk. Because of the bridge being closed emergency response time has increased since there is now only oneway in and out of the valley. Snow could easily make the impassible for those North of the bridge and a train blocking the tracks could delay response from those on the South side. Now who should one blame if an emergency response team can't respond because of this bridge being closed! The blame game goes on.
When are we ever going back to the way it was when people were totally accountable and responsible for there actions. Just be thankful that your son is alive and hopefully learned something from his actions. The bridge and the road was not the problem!
To answer the real question you asked, "When are we ever going back to the way it was when people were totally accountable and responsible for there actions?" the answer is, sadly, never.
With parents like Hannajw, our world has slid into a world of no consequence or hurt feelings. We have lost the basic concept of self-responsibility because parents like this have bred it out of our society. Everything is always somebody else's fault.
She's just lucky it was her drunk son behind the wheel instead of getting hit by a drunk driver. I'm sure her statistics and tolerance of drunk drivers would be exactly the opposite.
What kind of an example you think you set for your children? What you should be focusing on is not "I just don't want someone elses loved one to have an accident there." It is to help to ensure other peoples children are not killed by your son then next time he drives drunk. You seem to have no problem with it, since you spend so much time justifying it.
"My son did not build this trap " - No, he drank it at the bar.
If there has been 3 other accidents there then why? - Drunk drivers
If accidents occur over and over a a certain location.... there must be a problem. - Alcohol
I'm sure over the years there have been people that live in that little valley who have driven over that road with no problem while they were under the influence. - yes, the residents that you are trying to save are now screwed because of you. Read the post above about how much you have helped their life
Ok, I've had enough. My Son was the one that alerted the authorities. We both were in the creek trying to help your son before rescuers arrived. Upon reaching the car I asked the driver how he was doing. The first thing he said was "I wasn't driving!". His next statement was "I don't know how I got here!" He did not appear to be in any great distress and we could not help him anyway since he was pinned in the car. Rescuers arrived in a few minutes but because of the terrain it was quite a while before he was extracted and rushed to the hospital. Next day, I looked by my mailbox and saw the tracks of the car in the mud and the scrapes of the undercarriage on the cement sides of the bridge. No skid marks and no signs of any attempt to turn the wheel. You said, people can read signs when they are under the influence. If that's true then they should notice when there's no road in front them.
I have been driving this road for 49 years. Living here for the past 28. I have seen 4 accidents near this bridge in those 28 years. NO DEATHS! ALL DRUNK!!!
Lost in Peoria! Unlike Pennsylvalnia, Illinois roads run mostly North South and East West. It would surprise me that your Son, being an engineering graduate, would not be fully capable of navigating this area within a few months. You said he lived here for a year. It also surprises me that if he was so good at seeing signs then why he did not take the most direct route to his home. Instead he went somewhat out of his way to travel rural unlighted and not as well signed roads. Not thru a major part of Peoria.
Populus!! This was a populus of one. This bridge was closed because someone asked for a bridge inspection more than likely because of the accident. It was not closed because of poor signage or guard rails. It was closed because there was rebar showing on the underside of the bridge which made it, by state standards, unsafe! Any engineer, like your son, would tell you that these standards are a bit of over kill and the bridge could well have supported traffic for many more years.
I will again help if someone is in trouble on this road but you have not helped the people here. I am glad your concerns were met. Ours are just starting! Don't say anything about you care, because you don't. We helped save your Son and look what you have done for us and the people in this valley. I agree with the previous post. Please seek professional counseling and stop using this post for your therapy.
To The Rescue,
When my wife and I met you we thanks you for your help. My son also talked with your son and thanked him. You probably are the previous poster. I cannot believe you think this road up to the bridge is safe. Yes, my son was drinking and you saw the car. He had just been through a collision with the side of a hill. If someone drives down the road too fast, at night they could indeed miss the turn. I'm tired of explaining this. That was the first time my son went down this road.
I only post here in response to other posts.
I can understand you wanting to keep the bridge open. There has only been 4 "drunk" people that crashed here. So that must be the reason. Our bridge is safe. Funny. If you want to help then petition the city, county, state for some signs. Don't wait for the next casualty. You people, especially you since you live right there should have done this. These are lives you're talking about.
Now, as far as your insults. I never insulted you or anyone else, why must you resort to this.
By the way your son said, "this happens all the time."
One last time... if you wanted to keep your unsafe bridge open you people should have had signs put up. This would have cut down on the possibility of an accident and less attention would have been drawn to the road & bridge.
Thank you, especially your son, who noticed my sons car parts on the road. And for doing what you could to help. If it would have been raining he could have drowned. You can bash me and my family but I still thank you.
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