wouldn't want to be on the road with my kids when she is... that's the big deal!!!!!!!!!! i know a coke head who frequents there, so i am sure there is more than meets the eye going on there!

No names have been named. I trust that it was thoughtfully considered and submitted. It does serve a bit as a notice and it does reflect if not the deed then at least the appearance. Appearance counts: clearly it draws attention and concern.
This seeclickfix.com is new to us all and it's success must assume our cooperation and good will. I know that's my assumption and intent.

Need to consider if and how this can be closed. After a time seeclickfix.com site will notice that the report has been open for a while and will notify the person who submitted it: "would you like to close it?" it will ask.
Takes a week or two before than happens.

I have lived in the same neighborhood as the bar in question for close to ten years now. I have also been to that establishment while under multiple different owners. I have lived in kingston all my life and have visited many of the bars and lounges that have come and went over the years. I am a patron of the bar in question and as a citizen of kingston and a part of the communtiy at large I feel that I must address these slanderous accusations. To the first point the barmaid, have you considered the fact that there could be more than one female bartender who works there? And if so isn't it a little unfair to throw out a broad statement like that. Second point, how, other than, hearsay would you know if this person was in fact driving home late at night unless you saw it with your own eyes? Third point, among other things, this seems to be a weak attempt at an unfounded implication, if there were any substantive details Im sure you would have posted them.
To mommy dearest you sound like you may just be "in" with the original person who posted this. I hope for your childs sake you dont associate with this cokehead friend of yours too often because a bag of coke even being in the same room is endangering the welfare of a minor, so maybe you should re-examine who is really putting your child at risk YOU or some bartender who you heard via the internet may be doing a shot with her patrons. How that for more than meets the eye?
The truth is that Kingston is plagued with every sort of crime and every sort of criminals. Drug dealers make hundreds of thousands if not millions between cedar st and st james every year. Midtown kingston is a tough area. This place gets a bad rep because there are a lot of black people that go there and as everyone knows "all black people are drug dealers" (I dont really mean that, Im using it to portray the stereotypes that are involved with this establieshment and others like it). This is underlined by the constant circling of cop cars relentlessly pulling people for bs infractions in an attempt to arrest them for dwi or if the cops are lucky they will find an insignifigant amont of drugs on them.
The staff there has always acted professionaly and reasonably. The owner, thow not the nicest most plesent person in the world, takes no @#$% from any would be troublmaker. I feel comfortable there knowing that most of the dirtiest dirtbags in kingston are not allowed in there and that includes the @#$% that comes with them.
So what if the bartender wants to do a shot? People drink sometimes, and we all know what happens if we do to many and drive home. When I go out I offer the bartender a shot, male or female its a sign of courtesy. Ive offered shots to everyone who has ever worked at that bar and I have to say that it is about two thirds no and one third yes. The guy that runs that place has fired people right in the middle of a shift for drinking.
If anyone is reading this who really gives a @#$% about stuff like this as it applys to midtown kingston, I would love to have the discussion, I believe we could make a real difference.

Thanks. I'd like to have a discussion. My starting point is to assume that people have good intentions. And they often fail to get communicated, with the sending side, the receiving side, or both: we're trying to solve a problem, and we don't know how except we're pretty sure everything we try is gonna be wrong.
So, my credo: "Never attribute to malice that which can adequately be attributed to incompetence." Indeed, I might be displaying mine right here :-)
gerald berke
gberke@gmail.com
email me, and we'll do phone and or coffee
thanks for your thoughts.

Are we talking about the flow lounge? or is there a different bar on smith?

Based on the first commenter's description, I believe we must be talking about the Flow Lounge. And if that's the case, then, frankly, I'm surprised. Sandwedge is right to point out that midtown Kingston is "tough." Based on the handful of times I've been to the Flow Lounge, I thought that it stood out as a kind of hip oasis. I've seen the bartenders cut people off and call cabs for folks who'd had too many drinks. If we're going to start a "witch hunt" here, let's be sure we've identified the right target.

Martin wrote about 8 hours ago
"Let somebody talk trash about me on here and your @#$% will be sued and kicked"

Alot of people on here are way the hell out of line, and I was bringing that up with my first comment.

Im glad that Martin agrees with me.

Vague and slanderous comments shouldnt be promoted to "problems" on this board.

That being said...

@Martin: Im sure threats of violence and law suits usually dont get a good response on a board that was created to solve problems. If you are gonna sue someone, please dont threaten it. Just do it. And dont threaten violence on the internet. Its very juvenile. Also this board is frequented by the KPD, so I am certain they wouldn't take this kind of thing lightly.

Lets stay positive, close this whole thing out, and move on.

I havent heard one positive thing on this discussion. well except for "citizen K's" creepy invitation to talk in person.

@ seriously?
Thank you. I think your comments are very constructive. Well done and effective.
I don't understand why my invitation to talk in person was "creepy"... I was responding to a person that said they wanted to discuss the matter. I thought, hey, voice, talk, speech... take some of the banter off line.
I had no idea that would be threatening or "creepy" and at the same time, positive :-)
I don't know who you are, your name. But my email was posted. So you can reach me directly.

Sorry, Didn't mean it offensively. I started using this site more intelligently and saw some other comments you had left in the past. I had Just seen the post here out of the blue and the aspect of someone wanting to meet some midtown moms was weird. I too am a victim of my own snap judgement as well:)
enough off topic though.

Back to being constructive. We know the police system is stressed, and we cant expect the individual liberties of frequenting bars to be something that should be heavily policed. Once a driver is on a road though, it is a danger.

Ive seen posts about how a patrol officer on foot is a near impossibility due to the low amount of police available. I think a previous post said that there were under 10 on duty officers at any point in the field.
So when it comes down to a complaint about a local resident viewing another resident getting into a car in the wee early hours of the morning, what is the "fix"?

Ive been thinking about this solution since I have seen a lot of arising awareness of local safety issues on the internet for Kingston.
Whether it be prostitutes on Broadway, or Druggies parked in front of a house, there is this line that citizens cant cross into disturbing the freedoms of others. Even if you disagree with them.

You cant go knock on the car windows of drug users without worrying if they are as lax on their gun use as they are their social norms for drug use (legality of marijuana being questioned in Cali spurs the use of social norms instead of crime). And if it weren't for the fact you were afraid of them in the first place, this would have been dealt with personally I'm sure.

You cant go down the street at an early morning hours chasing a car that is being driven by a person who may appear intoxicated. Its not enough of your problem since you are home and tired, or maybe even in a safe spot where there is no immediate danger to you.

If you felt the person actually endangered others, the police should have been called. end of story. It's their job to deal with Citzens who endanger others, right?

Reporting the licence number to the police when the person is in the car seems like a very hands off approach that could be used.

NOW if it wasnt that serious, have you tried calling the owner or manager of the institution before dragging their laundry in to the public?

This website makes it easy enough for others to do the work for you, and give you advice on how to do it yourself, but it doesn't seem like thats what the original poster is interested in.

I do understand the easiness of throwing up a hastily composed paragraph of how you feel, But even on the internet, you are affecting the lives and prosperity of locals. The poster above named Martin is really upset. Seems that the implications of the original poster were untrue according to them. Thats what talking trash is right? Seems there is a bit of responsibility that should be taken for some remarks on the end of the poster. The anonymity of this website allows for slanderous comments to go Under represented and over exaggerated.

Everyone rely's on the police for actually dealing with the issues, but awareness seems like a solution that should be policed just as much as the actual violations.
Whomever is in charge of voting these issues up to a "Open" should be able to act a little more informed on what the ramifications of implying an issue is something that is "broken" is, (In my opinion)

(Again, sorry citizen for calling your post creepy!)

Hey Guys,
I'm removing the threatening comment. Thank you for keeping SeeClickFix constructive. We appreciate your diligence and don't hesitate to use the flag as inappropriate link.

Ben

THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS

I'm going to go ahead and close this. As many here have stated, responsible posting goes along way. This should be used as a example how not to post. If you have any question, please contact me at info@kingston-ny-neighborhood-watch.com

rem.