Stop signs can't legally be used for speed control according to NYS V&T law.

There's already far too many stop signs in Kingston. Instead of adding more the city should do a study and remove most all of the 4-way stop signs, instead making every-other intersection a stop intersection. This would save an immense amount of gas.

They tried using stop signs on Linderman Ave. to slow down traffic, it didn't work. It may not "legally" be used but I know they put them up for that purpose. The people that live on that street go slow and make a point to slow down around kids and walkers with pets, BUT, people passing through would down shift and blow through the stop signs. Not sure what the answer is but it is a serious problem throughout the whole City.

Your Alderman would have to bring this issue to the Common Council to approve a new stop sign to be placed here.

I agree there are too many stop signs at mind boggling places. The corner of Spring and Hone St? Can you imagine having to stop there on a snow-covered day? And..the middle of Hudson St? The MIDDLE!!!! This city has got to join the 21st century. If we we ever got the population explosion that WAS expected at the new river condos, you would not be able to move in this city, traffic-wise. How many turn arrows are needed on Broadway, to join all of the other up-to-date cities? About 100?

People "blow through" stop signs because they're ALL WAY stop signs.

Louis Crothers is correct about stop signs in crazy places.

And Broadway! What a traffic mess. As Louis said, it needs left turn arrows/lights and it needs "DO NOT BLOCK SIDE STREET" signs + enforcement.

Alderpersons have ALWAYS put stop signs willy-nilly all over the city. Whenever they get a complaint (jusified or not) about "speeding cars," the answer is another stop sign. Studies have shown that other approaches work much better. Making streets narrower slows traffic. Something like the Wall Street little gardens that jut out in the street are sufficient to slow traffic in residential areas.

Hi,

Coming into this alittle late.

I know I have huge problems with people speeding on Wall st. People us it as a way to avoid Washington Ave traffic.

Please tell me some ideas that we CAN do to slow down traffic besides putting stop signs up on wall at the intersections of Linderman and Warren.

Here is my problem... What happens when some moron speeds down wall, then another moron comes out of Warren without looking ( BTW, I live on that corner and this happens all the time. If you don't believe me, come over and spend an hour or so on my porch) Now the Wall st speeder has to turn to avoid an accident, runs up on the sidewalk and kills one of my kids playing there. Will you want stop signs then, after someone gets killed?

I've seen cars hit parked cas on my street because of that very situation. So please don't tell me that can't happen. I've lived here for 11 years, I think I know what I'm talking about.

So again, what other options are out there to slow down traffic.. maybe turn the 30 MPH zone on Wall into 20? I'm only asking

Mike.

The aforementioned protrusions into the street (as on Wall St between John & N Front) would slow traffic. Clearing the snarled traffic on Washington would likely ease the problem at your corner. If traffic flowed smoothly on Washington fewer drivers would avoid it. Lowering a speed limit below 30MPH has zero impact unless a patrol car is there 24/7.

I'm not sure i understand what you mean by "protrusions".

Mike

You narrow the street by building out from the existing curb, adding flower gardens or whatever. These alternate from one side of the street to the other - making the street narrower but still passable - as on Wall between John & N. Front. Most drivers will slow because they preceive the street as narrow when it really remains passable for trucks side by side. This slows traffic (and beautifies the street). Many progessive cities use this type of thing to slow traffic in residential areas.

Less progressive cities use speed bumps and lower speed limits.

Kingston uses stop signs, flashing traffic signals, etc. Kingston has SO MANY stop signs (as well as so many in ridiculous places) that few drivers ever come to a complete stop at ANY of them.

Stop signs are traffic FLOW control devices, not traffic SPEED control devices.

BTW, if you have only lived here for 11 years, you do not know that Wall St and Fair St in the uptown business area had two lanes of traffic (plus parking on both sides) and cars were larger than they presently are. Drivers stayed in their respective lane instead of, as now, driving down the center - even at intersections, whether they intend to turn, or not.

Closed, please talk to your Adlerman about this issue.

Mike