Wow...never thought about the 5 point light this way. But since the intersection is a 5-way cross, it adds lots of confusion even with the lights. So, I am not sure if a 5-way STOP will make it easy for anyone. I think they just need to adjust the timings of the lights with better algorithms and sensors. Most of the time I see that cowpath road traffic is given more time than needed.

uhhh.... its a 5point "highway"; how will stop signs keep traffic going smoothly and quickly, dumb idea.

There is no need to have all those roads merge into that mess. Rts. 309 and 202 should be redesigned properly as highways. They are equivilant to secondary roads the entire length of the township.

Certifibly nutz. Sounds like someone wants to make this into a Roosevelt Blvd style deathwish scenario.
Try crossing over 309.

309 through Montgomery and Hatfield townships should be a true highway.

I've been to other parts of the country where corridors like this are treated in the following way: True limited access highway in the center with local lanes on the outside. For example: imagine if the center lanes of the Roosevelt Blvd were depressed into the ground as a true expressway and the cross streets went over the highway via overpasses instead of intersections. Local lanes at ground level would service businesses along the route.

Unfortunately, this will never happen here. It's just too late. Commercial development has been built and there is no room (or the billions of dollars needed) for the right of way required for a proper road. 50 years of a complete lack of cohesive regional planning and NIMBYism has eternally damned us with traffic woes.

Here's the midget mentality that we're faced with from our local and state elected officials:

There are 2,561 municipalies in PA each with their own agenda. What's good for one isn't necessarily the best for the one next door, but who cares. Forget regional development planning or even the zoning codes in place. Keep giving out variances to allow whatever to be built. Think a highway is a good idea? Put it on the planning board, go through 30 years of neighbors (most of which live in a house that was build 20 years after said highway was proposed) saying "not in my backyard", and end up with a 2 lane "parkway". Traffic a problem? Just add more traffic lights! That will fix everything.

I think I'll go throw up now.

309 through Montgomery and Hatfield townships should be a true highway.

I've been to other parts of the country where corridors like this are treated in the following way: True limited access highway in the center with local lanes on the outside. For example: imagine if the center lanes of the Roosevelt Blvd were depressed into the ground as a true expressway and the cross streets went over the highway via overpasses instead of intersections. Local lanes at ground level would service businesses along the route.

Unfortunately, this will never happen here. It's just too late. Commercial development has been built and there is no room (or the billions of dollars needed) for the right of way required for a proper road. 50 years of a complete lack of cohesive regional planning and NIMBYism has eternally damned us with traffic woes.

Here's the midget mentality that we're faced with from our local and state elected officials:

There are 2,561 municipalies in PA each with their own agenda. What's good for one isn't necessarily the best for the one next door, but who cares. Forget regional development planning or even the zoning codes in place. Keep giving out variances to allow whatever to be built. Think a highway is a good idea? Put it on the planning board, go through 30 years of neighbors (most of which live in a house that was build 20 years after said highway was proposed) saying "not in my backyard", and end up with a 2 lane "parkway". Traffic a problem? Just add more traffic lights! That will fix everything.

I think I'll go throw up now.

oops sorry about the double post

The "dotted" lines for the 202 by-pass were on maps back as far as 1984. Probably even longer. I know when we were house hunting we had them in hand.
Hey, plenty of stories out there about the lack of planning/foresight. Ever hear of the Cross-Town Expressway from the Cheltenham Ave/Tookany Park to an un-named bridge (Betsy Ross) to alleviate crossing the lower NE Phila. Or the extension of the Broad St subway up the center plot of Roosevelt Blvd.
Hey, this is Pennsylvania. Roads are not their business, except when it bears the name of a retiring politician.