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These new traffic cross indicators are brilliant! 1) You can't tell if you activate it. There is no button to push. It doesn't beep.
2) When it is time to cross, instead of the normal audio chirp people have become used to (especially blind people) there is an inaudible message. We are all standing around trying to understand what it says. With the wind, and the passing cars, and all the other noise on Hillsborough St, it sounds more like the teacher on Charlie Brown. Why replace the perfectly working crosswalk activators and buttons?
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Festus (Guest)
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WestRaleighResident (Registered User)
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Elizabeth (again) (Guest)
There is a volunteer advisory panel called the Raleigh Bicycle and Pedestrian Advisory Panel that may be able to help us with these new signals. There are two people on the contact list - please email them and let them know about the problems, and our desire to go back to the old system of beeps.
jennifer.baldwin@raleighnc.gov, eric.lamb@raleighnc.gov
Elizabeth (again) (Guest)
City of Raleigh 3 (Verified Official)
The new Accessible Pedestrian Signal (APS) Units are specifically designed to meet the new Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices (MUTCD) standard. The MUTCD is a Federal Highway publication that is fully adopted by NCDOT and the City of Raleigh. The new APS units have a vibro-tactile push button which was designed with input from the ADA and the visually impaired. The new units have a "speech" message since the "koo koo/chirp chirp was difficult to discern what direction was safe to cross when the speakers were close. The sounds can be used in lieu of the verbal message if the speakers are located a specified distance apart.
The MUTCD thoroughly tests all traffic control devices prior to adoption. The new APS units were found to be intuitive and less confusing then the older setup. When the button is depressed, the APS units provide a verbal message to wait. While this may be an annoyance to the general public, it serves a purpose for the visually impaired. The new units adjust the volume of the speech messages based on surrounding noise levels. We have had issues with the newer units producing too loud of the auto locate noise level. The units located near the NCSU campus are there to help with the Morehead School of the Blind located off of Pullen Drive. The City does not typically install these units unless requested by a visually impaired individual. If you know of a specific location where you feel the volume is too loud, please let us know. We can have a technician verify or adjust the sound level if needed.
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Elizabeth (Guest)
Sebastian (Registered User)
Ok I understand the need for handicap-accessible crosswalks but I also agree with festus. What if the waiting sound was a chirp and for walking it said "Please walk"? The crosswalks speak for less time but visually-impaired pedestrians can still use them easily. This way businesses with outside seating will be affected less.
Failing that, could you change it to "Please wait"? I live a block north of Hillsborough and cross it several times a day. I don't respond well to orders, especially from inanimate objects, but I respond well to requests. Thank you for your help!
WestRaleighResident (Registered User)
An hour ago, I could hear the Horne St clearly from a distance of 200feet, and it was hard to hear a conversation with someone standing right next to me while at the Chamberlain St intersection. So, the volume is still too loud.
I understand that the voice announcing the street name to cross is useful for the blind. I also see how the word "wait" helps the blind when they press the button, but I don't see the need to continuously repeat "wait wait wait". Saying the word "wait" once when the button is pressed should be enough for a blind individual to know to wait until an announcement to cross comes.
Although I respect the need to make the crosswalks easily usable for the blind, there needs to be some consideration so people can comfortably walk, have a conversation, eat outside, or wait for a bus along Hillsborough Street.
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