Description
This is an accident waiting to happen. There should be STOP SIGNS on Tuttle- especially at the exit of east shore park. The Yield signs only belong on Woodward.
Reporter
This is an accident waiting to happen. There should be STOP SIGNS on Tuttle- especially at the exit of east shore park. The Yield signs only belong on Woodward.
11 Comments
Brian Tang (Guest)
Isn't this a roundabout? The whole point of a roundabout is that you have to slow down or stop if there is already a vehicle in the roundabout, but if the roundabout is empty then you can continue right through without stopping. I think it's the perfect solution for streets like Woodward where a four-way stop would be obnoxious/ignored by most people and where there are not enough breaks in traffic on the larger street for a two-way stop to work.
What you are describing sounds like a mini traffic circle. (A two-way stop with an obstruction in the middle). If there are enough breaks in traffic on Woodward Street, converting the new roundabouts to mini traffic circles might not be a bad idea, especially since the mountable lip was improperly installed and people drive right over it, negating some of the reductions in speed that are key for roundabouts to work.
Brian V (Guest)
The rotaries have done what they where designed to do, which is slow down traffic. They could have been better designed, but have been key to slowing things down on Woodward. I hope they come to Townsend Ave next!
Brian Virtue (Guest)
Christopher Hoimes (Guest)
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Christopher Hoimes (Guest)
Brian Tang (Guest)
At the risk of getting a little too wonky, I see a subtle difference between a true roundabout and a traffic circle—traffic circles are employed at the convergence of several streets of considerable size (often multi-lane arterials); roundabouts, on the other hand, are generally smaller than traffic circles (1 lane only) and are employed as an alternative to four-way stops when one of the intersecting roads is too large to realistically expect everyone to come to a complete stop. Nevertheless, single-lane roundabouts are governed by the same traffic laws as their larger cousins.
Details aside, Chris, I agree with your assessment that—given the improper construction of the mountable lip, which allows people to take the roundabout at high speeds—the roundabouts on Woodward should probably be converted to “mini traffic circles” (two-way stops with a circular obstruction at the center of the intersection). To do this, the city will have to replace the cross street yield signs with stop signs, remove the Woodward Ave yield signs, and replace the roundabout signs on the Woodward approaches with keep right symbol signs.
This is unfortunate because it will mean forfieting much of the speed reductions that the roundabouts were designed, but unfortunately not constructed, to achieve.
Brian Tang (Guest)
Tim D. (Guest)
CT Livable Streets Campaign (Registered User)
The roundabouts were improperly constructed by the city. The granite curb should have been higher, which would have led to much slower speeds.
Fixing the roundabouts would help reduce the perceived level of danger that Christopher is writing about.
Also, as more roundabouts are installed throughout the city and also throughout the state (where they are being rolled out as rapidly as possible, due to the enormous safety and cost benefits that they provide), this should become less of an issue.
Please see http://www.wsdot.wa.gov/Safety/roundabouts/benefits.htm (or any number of other state and federal websites) for a summary of roundabout benefits.
Closed Department of Transportation, Traffic and Parking (Registered User)
CT Livable Streets Campaign (Registered User)