Spring Street doesn't stop there. Adding signage telling people to look both ways is a nice gesture, but when people walk around looking at their phones with headphones on, that's just Darwin's evolution at work. There are numerous intesections in the neighborhood that stops in only one direction, if you don't like the way the neighborhood's streets are designed, you should have thought about that before you moved in.

That's a silly response. Strange you took the time. I was simply requesting the same signage that is located three blocks down at Gott and Hiscock be placed there too, only to inform people at that intersection that the oncoming traffic down (or up) Fountain does not have a stop sign.

The neighborhood (that I have lived in for 17yrs) is intentionally layed out so that every other intersection has stop signs - some are 4-way, others are 2-way. And I, for one, love the way the streets are designed.

Can we consider a more extreme solution?: dead end Hiscock at the east side of Spring! That segment of Hiscock is tricky, with poor visibility at the bend. Commuters make it a high-speed short-cut. There is no sidewalk on Hiscock on the block just south of Summit, pushing pedestrians into this high speed traffic flow. The worst resulting inconvenience would be for residents of Hiscock just east of Spring, but only to the extent that when westbound they would have to go around the corner to Summit.

John, no you were not simply asking for signage. There was an either in there, and though your train of thought got lost in the cobwebs, your intention was to also ask for a four way stop. Tim, How about an even more extreme solution: Let's require people to look both ways as they were taught to do since childhood?

Nope, it's pretty clear: with no stop signs in the North/South directions - either needs 1. signage on the East/West stop signs indicating that oncoming traffic does not stop or 2. stop signs in the North/South direction (aka, 4-way stop).

if you don't like the way the neighborhood's streets are designed, you should have thought about that before you moved in.

Again, Mr. Guest troll - I like the way the streets are designed, that's EXACTLY why I moved here.

I should make a correction in an earlier post - I mentioned Fountain when I meant Spring. :)

Then learn which intersections you are supposed to stop at and which ones you don't have to waste gas at, and if you're going to call people names start with yourself.

Yes Sir! I will get right on that. I should have listened to you in the first place! Silly me.

I agree with John. The Spring and Hiscock intersection needs better signage. There has been several collisions at that intersection within the past year
And Clickfix needs to eliminate anonymous "guest" accounts. These accounts only pander to chicken trolls who come to pick fights with people.

Hi all - I'll be starting two petitions soon - one for traffic calming at the Spring & Hiscock intersection and for speed bumps on Hiscock, going down the hill.
I live right there and cross the Spring & Hiscock intersection nearly every day with my kids - it's incredibly dangerous. At some point, my kids (and all the others that live east of Spring) will be walking alone to the bus stop at Brooks - between people flying down Spring and the confusion over the stop signs, some sort of calming is necessary.

I'm not advocating for more stop signs because I'm not an expert on this but some kind of traffic calming is greatly needed. Once the petition and survey are submitted, the city team will determine what the best method of calming is for that intersection.

Alison. Teach your children to look both ways and be aware at every intersection. Lead by example.

Oh, so THAT’S what I need to do! Thanks for explaining how to parent. I’d be lost without you! ✌🏼

Allison, That is a good idea(s). I'll be happy to sign both petitions. And BTW ...don't feed the troll

Allison, my street is almost done with the traffic calming process, it initially began last summer. One thing I learned in this time is that the traffic calming guidelines do not include provisions to add signage such as Stop signs.
That is beyond the scope of the department. They are very helpful with explaining other devices, such as raised crosswalks, but the restrictions and rules are complicated. A very interesting process, a very professional and dedicated staff to be sure.
But they can't add stop signs.
I hope they can guide you to a safer neighborhood. Because after all, that is what everyone on here wants.

Barbara, interesting! Who decides if an intersection needs a stop sign? I guess I'll learn soon - I don't know much about this process at all. Hopefully whatever the committee decides will improve the situation!

Allison,
Here is the information about stop signs as copied from the City of AA traffic calming on-line guidebook.

"Why not just put in a stop sign?
Traffic professionals and the Michigan Manual of Uniform Traf-
fic Control Devices (MMUTCD) have found that installing stop
signs on all approaches to an intersection does not result in
fewer collisions or slower traffic. By law, the purpose of a stop
sign is to assign right of way, not to slow vehicles, and in fact,
the MMUTCD prohibits the use of stop signs as a traffic calming
device. There are many things that could go wrong in a residen-
tial neighborhood when stop signs are used at all approaches to
an intersection:
• Risks of rear end collisions are increased.
• Studies show that some drivers, once past the stop sign,
increase their speed to make up for lost time (often referred to
as “speed spiking”).
• At intersections with little traffic, “rolling stops” (not a complete
stop) are more likely to occur, which increase risk of collisions.
• More frequent stop signs increase violations as the frustrated
drivers pay less attention to the requirement for a full stop."

Allison, As I mentioned earlier, teach your children to look both ways and be aware at every intersection. Re: Physics, the truth will out, regardless of conventions. It's not good manners to blame the messenger. Your sarcasm for honest and good intentioned advice is not appreciated.

Thanks, Barbara. I also read somewhere that installing stop signs doesn't always make an intersection safer. I think this is a tricky situation, however, because people are already confused, thinking that it IS a 4-way stop and I've seen many almost-rear-end collisions because of that...not to mention the agro drivers behind the people who think there's a stop sign when there's not. Anyway, I'm going to get the petitions going and hopefully the committee will be able to offer useful solutions.

Your request has been acknowledged and/or addressed to the best of staff's ability. A more detailed description of action taken by staff, if available, is provided in the comments above. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

I've made this exact request for a "Cross traffic does not stop" sign two other times here too! It's the same sign at Gott and Hiscock, and it doesn't seem like a big issue to have it here too.