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Please click fix if your tired of this illegal shady totaled car lot.
Why hasn't this been stopped. Every weekend or holiday a car or three is for sale at 228 E 165th Hammond Indiana and 6448 Woodward Hammond, Indiana. When backed up they use Dollar General. They use the same numbers between both houses. 2GNFLFEK0F6101562 was totaled out car from Co Parts with temp tags. Only dealers can buy from Co Parts.This one was damaged really bad. Is it safe now? 30 car this year alone.
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Phone number 219-484-9940
See Issue ID: 4598645
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City of Hammond (Verified Official)
Phil (Registered User)
Capt Alcox HPD Community Affairs (Registered User)
Capt Alcox HPD Community Affairs (Registered User)
Phil (Registered User)
Oh joyous joys away from Hammond at last so stay off this site till then. :)
So the cars are normally parked at only one of two houses for years else Dollar General and using the same two phone numbers (sometimes a third) in the windows, same signs, some cars been see at both houses, any car at Dollar General was once in front of one of the two houses and all have temp plates but they are registered to many different people.
Sounds like something fishy to avoid taxes, insurance issues and dealership issues.
Phil (Registered User)
Phil (Registered User)
Phil (Registered User)
Phil (Registered User)
Phil (Registered User)
219-484-9940 is listed
Phil (Registered User)
Jon (Registered User)
Jon (Registered User)
Dezi (Registered User)
Resident (Registered User)
I feel u Phil, it's a huge investment to have a car lot rent, utilities, city licence, state license, employees, coffee machine and bills. After all this the return or profit is low.
But if u have a dozen homes and u can sell cars all around u property's this man can save lots money.
Hope his rental property's are registered with the city o he maybe saving more money.
There is a city ordinance u can't use a residential home as a bussines hope this helps.
Phil (Registered User)
Phil (Registered User)
SOS: Dealer - IN.gov
https://www.in.gov/sos/dealer/3936.htm
Phil (Registered User)
Capt Alcox HPD Community Affairs (Registered User)
We think we may have enough now to get the state to investigate this. It appears to be way more involved than I ever thought it was. I'll keep you posted as I get more info.
Rentals all appear to be registered but some do not appear to be current. Following up on that too. Sorry but its a slow process... hoping things start speeding up soon.
Capt Alcox HPD Community Affairs (Registered User)
https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/5-ways-to-avoid-becoming-the-victim-of-curbstoning-in-an-auto-sale-33902
Posted this link to warn others while we contnue working on this. City Attorney is now getting involved.
Resident (Registered User)
The problem starts with the car lots all over they take 300 dollar cash bribe in exchange to let regular people use the car lot dealers license and buy cars at copart wholesale,
People involved
Car lot have state license
Car lot friend pays 300 cash to car lot
Buyer gets rippoff by 2 people.
then the third party buys the car.
Lot times the buyer goes to the car lot to buy a car that was never on the lot but on a curb or someone driveway.
See PHIL I understand is not jealousy but I believe u, this person and others are not paying taxes and at the same time making all the other car lots go out of bussines until we end up with only curb car sales man.
Jon (Registered User)
Guess one could go on Lake Countys website and see if the owners are the same for the address.
Jessica (Registered User)
JayBoi1184 (Registered User)
Rob (Registered User)
Phil (Registered User)
Capt Alcox HPD Community Affairs (Registered User)
Dezi (Registered User)
Joh (Registered User)
Jon (Registered User)
Jon (Registered User)
Lt Pete Moore HPD Community Affairs (Registered User)
Resident (Registered User)
Jon (Registered User)
ADIは、 Zoning (Verified Official)
Code enforcement inspector for the 4th District here! I am aware of 228 165th Street being an issue the past couple of years. We have issued citations in the past & even inspected their garage. I'll try to keep my eye on this rental home at 228 165th St. throughout the year, all while the Police continue doing their thing. Thanks to P.D. for the tow orders!!!
Jon (Registered User)
Zoning (Verified Official)
1.) 707 169th St. comes up as the Zion Holiness Church that is up for sale. Do you suspect they are using their vacant parking lot for storage since the church is up for sale?
2.) 6448 Woodward Ave. is technically the 3rd District, while I handle the 4th. I'll still try to go by when I happen to be heading by that street. Now, 228 165th St. is in my district. Like I said, I've cited that property in the past multiple times. We may have to issue a new citation this year, it seems. I'm sure HPD is able to keep tabs on both homes when I cannot.
3.) Indeed, 6448 Woodward & 228 165th St. are both owned by the same landlord. He owns at least 21 properties in Hammond. Same tenant at 6448 Woodward Ave. since at least 2012 & same tenant at 228 165th St. since at least 2016.
Hope this info helps!
Phil (Registered User)
Phil (Registered User)
Capt Alcox HPD Community Affairs (Registered User)
Phil (Registered User)
Another one now this weekend only. Looks to been in a serious wreck too. Hope no one gets screwed on these totaled out cars from a backyard illegal car dealer. Hope his repairs aren't as shady as his sales.Any word from the state at Curbstoning sales ?
2014 Toyota indiana K362478 temp 219-805-0476 5TFUM5F13EX057939
Look at the pictures https://autoauctionhistory.com/automobile/toyota/tundra_dou/cce4aad129-2014_toyota_tundra_double_cab_srsr5/
The term “curbstoning” comes from the practice of parking automotive “inventory” along the curb, although many curbstoners also use vacant lots and unmonitored parking lots as temporary places of business.
Curbstoners are car “flippers” – people who regularly buy cheap cars, fix them up to look decent, and sell them for a quick profit. They often pose as the car’s owner, but they’re not – so they can dodge limits on the number of vehicles an individual can sell before having to register as a dealer.
Curbstoned vehicles may be lemons, salvaged, or even cobbled together from parts from the wrecking yard. They may have been written off as total losses by insurance companies due to collision, flood, or other damage.
Sometimes, unethical used car dealers use curbstoning as a way to get rid of duds they can’t sell on their lots.
Phil (Registered User)
Calumet City car flipper busted few years back by FOX32 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1iMpCQuQNg
Phil (Registered User)
Phil (Registered User)
Another totalled car by this curb stonner 2GNAXHEV7J6208833 Tags IN AZX596 Phone 219-805-0476
pictures https://poctra.com/2018-CHEVROLET-EQUINOX-LS/id-ARazFCi0zQ6bNu99/INDIANAPOLIS-IN
Actual Cash Value $22,279 USD
Repair Cost $20,053 USD
Title State/Type: IN CERT OF TITLE-SALVAGE TITLE
Phil (Registered User)
Phil (Registered User)
Phil (Registered User)
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Phil (Registered User)
Please report this curbstoning (conducting a streetside business without an appropriate licence, especially in the auto business) to Dealers@sos.IN.gov since the city has no plans.
Phil (Registered User)
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Really hope these are fixed correctly and safe not just on the cheap mby second rate shops. These are totalled for a reason aka cost and safety. How many cars can one person plate and title in a year ?
Pictures of before.
https://poctra.com/2016-HONDA-CR-V-EX/id-AuFqQ4OU5mNaRe4p/HAMMOND-IN/Photos
Phil (Registered User)
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Phil (Registered User)
5GAER13D79J192753 Listed 219-588-6240. Parked also at 228 e 165th
Indiana lets you flip 12 cars/year without a license.
Curbstoners sell cars without permits, a dealer's license, or a regular place of business. These sellers may be car dealers presenting themselves as private sellers. To make their illegal transactions look like private sales, unscrupulous auto dealers may offer their used vehicles from a parking lot, curb, or in front of a residence, so the practice is called curbstoning.
Curbstoners sell damaged and salvaged used cars to buyers and vanish. Buyers from curbstoners don't have any seller contact information, leaving them stuck with worthless or dangerous cars and problems.
Problems With Buying Used Motor Vehicles from Curbstoners
Curbstoners buy vehicles cheap from salvage yards, at auctions and from private sellers. These motor vehicles may be junked SUVs, wrecked trucks, or flooded used cars. The vehicles are not fit for sale on the open market, and the unlicensed dealers selling them do little or no mechanical repairs or safety checks. After some cosmetic work, these used cars that are unsafe to drive end up on eBay or Craigslist, on pop-up lots or by the side of the road with "For sale" signs on them. For example, California authorities confiscated a curbstoner SUV sold with misaligned doors, unsafe frame welding, and without airbags.
When you don't buy from a reputable dealer, you risk purchasing a used car with the odometer rolled back, undisclosed frame damage, a salvage title, or mechanics' or promissory liens. Illegal used car sales put you and the public at risk by placing dangerous motor vehicles on the streets and roads. They deprive honest car dealers of sales revenue and governments of taxes for public uses.
https://www.autolist.com/guides/curbstoning
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