That wouldn't work on heavy bicycle traffic days. Vehicle traffic would back up. Although I admit I haven't seen bicycle traffic heavy enough to cause that, I also totally avoid the area evenings & weekends.

I agree with Matt. This would be more in line with other at-grade intersections in this section. If necessary, have some sort of traffic-calming feature to slow down cyclists, but the actual stop sign is unrealistic in this context.

Why is it unrealistic to expect someone to obey the law? It's very simple. A red sign that says STOP means you come to a full stop. If it's an all way stop intersection as this is then you proceed when it is your turn. It's not hard or unrealistic.

I mean, for the same reason it's unrealistic to get cars to stop for pedestrians (as required by law) at 45th St and Hiawatha? As we often have to do, we have to acknowledge that drivers (of both bikes and cars) do not always obey the law, especially when they perceive it to be unfair or unreasonable. It seems like it would be at least worth a try to eliminate the stop sign, as they did at James(?). If it causes unreasonable backups on Humboldt, then reinstate the all-way stop.

It is worth noting: part of the reason that bicyclists often disobey trail stop signs is because they are placed so capriciously. On the former routing of the greenway along 28th St, there were tiny stop signs at every intersection and driveway, even though the trail (and 28th st) had right-of-way. Sign placements like those breed disrespect for more useful stop signs like this one at Humboldt.

The difference, I think, is enforcement. Police locally have not enforced crosswalk violations much at all, which is sad because it puts pedestrians at much greater risk. I would also say enforcement is a factor for bikes & stop signs. I think there are 2 main reasons for bikes not stopping: 1) not wanting to lose momentum by stopping, putting a foot down for a moment, and restarting, and 2) when's the last time you saw a cyclist ticketed for running a stop sign?

I don't have a problem with a cyclist slowing down then going through any stop sign anywhere, *if* there isn't another vehicle or bike present at all. But if there is, all drivers whether on a bike or in a car should stop. Both for safety and to help reduce the animosity between cyclists & motorists. We all need to improve & cyclists going through stop signs out of turn just make it worse. A vehicle could take its turn where a cyclist doesn't or someone could go all road rage & a cyclist could get hurt or worse.

Yeah, I think we're basically on the same page: it seems pedantic to demand they make a full, complete stop; but they should obey the right-of-way the sign represents, and take turns at all-way stops. And I think most (if not all) do so on the streets. Clearly most bikers are not doing that here, because a trail feels different.

There are so many other trail crossings in which the trails do have automatic right-of-way (like the Minnehaha trail crossing 28th Ave) that I think drivers are trained to stop for bikes crossing in a clearly marked location. This is basically a good problem to have, but it can breed confusion when an obedient cyclist is waved on by a well-meaning motorist.

Still seems like taking down the sign -- and seeing if backups result -- is a place to start. If cost were no object, it would be great to have a light that stays steady green on the Greenway, and then switches to Humboldt selectively as needed.

Hey Minneapolis, why are you ignoring this? I almost ran over a cyclist here yesterday! Watched 3 others blow past without stopping!

Nice to see the city of Minneapolis continue to ignore this issue. One of many ignored issues in the city I'm glad I don't live in. It's bad enough to have to work in & encounter this & other things daily.

As a cyclist all I want is for cars to treat me like a car. As I roll into an intersection, braking, one foot down cars constantly wave me through. Please, note that I am stopping and GO like you would with another car. I will stop and stand there as long as it takes for the car to go which is frustrating. On a bike I know the car is there and I am timing the intersection so I can not quite stop. Why, frankly, because depositing my rear on the seat can be painful and all of the energy it takes to get restarted is great. Just my two cents. I agree that the stop sign should be removed.

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