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It no longer serves it's initial purpose and needs to be removed. It is causing safety issues. City services have expressed similar concerns and the issues it causes to maintain.
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It no longer serves it's initial purpose and needs to be removed. It is causing safety issues. City services have expressed similar concerns and the issues it causes to maintain.
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Bill (Khách)
John Thomson (Khách)
Carl (Khách)
Carl (Khách)
Craig Novak (Khách)
Vanessa (Khách)
fyi (Khách)
Carl (Khách)
private (Khách)
Trying to look at this situation objectively I understand the fact that the people in your allotment want the convenience of being able to exit both ways out of their allotment. We all would like things that make life easier and less stressful.
As far as a safety issue, I agree with FYI who says there are systems that could provide police and fire with a "gate opener." I live in a gated community and there are many like it in my city. There is no problem whatsoever when police or fire need to gain access. I don’t see why this couldn’t be implemented in your city as well.
I think all people involved need to look at this issue in perspective. We are living in a country where people are unemployed and worse and we have boys dying in Afghanistan for our safety. Don’t become like our current political parties who can’t seem to work together to make progress. This can easily be worked out successfully in your community just like it is done in mine.
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Carl (Khách)
Mitch Van Dress (Khách)
Lastly, both developments support our city and doing the right thing for the majority of people I believe. There are plenty of people on the "older" side that want the gate down also. The issues here are safety, privacy, and progress/change. Let's have a meeting between the two groups and work this out. If not, it could become a costly contested issue that no one wins.
fyi (Khách)
Dave Goodell (Khách)
And Carl, how did the gate cause injury to someone? I believe someone from your development took the gate down illegall, maybe it bit them.
There are remote lift gates that could be installed to allow safety vehicles through. They can use either a keypad or garage door opener type remote. I would be more than happy to research this, as this would keep traffic to minimum through the "older" side, and allow safety access to the "newer" side. If of course this is truly about safety. Thanks, Dave Goodell.
john thomson (Khách)
Dave and FYI,
If you want to argue that we purchased a home on the newer side with the gate there and that we have to deal with it, that is a fair argument. You also have to use the same logic for people living on Dodge Dr. If you were diligent when you were purchasing your home on Dodge Dr, you would know that Dodge Dr would one day be a through street as planned and plotted by the city 55 years ago.
I would like to remind everyone that the only reason the gate is there was because of one woman concerned about heavy construction vehicles. With that being said, the heavy construction vehicles are no longer an issue.
I will extend this offer to personally meet with any or all residents to discussion the issue further.
Carl (Khách)
FYI & Dave G. Just to bring you up to speed if you have not looked at the gate closely lately. The gate is no longer a fixed type gate....It used to be locked shut. The City changed it last year and removed the lock. Why?...Because of the two issues we have stated. Some of the residents young children in Northpointe have to cross over the gate everyday and walk to the corner of Dodge/Royal to get on their school Bus. That is their designated bus stop. When snow piled up one child had to climb over it and slipped and fell. Also a home caught on fire in Northpointe and the fire trucks were blocked at the gate (again it was locked) so the city changed the gate from a locked gate to a freely swinging gate (liability??). They also cut a couple of feet of the end of the gate so motorcycles and other small vehicles pass thru the gate without having to touch it. A strong wind can now push it open it's that easy to move. So what does it really do now other than hold up the sign on it?
We are not a gated community and never were platted as one so the one entrance idea has no basis. Actually city council has stated that long distance subdivisions are supposed to have two egress points. That is what we are asking for, an alternate secondary point to exit our community if our primary point is blocked. We have had residents blocked in our community due to automobile wrecks at the Rt-58 entrance and they could not exit. The same could happen at the corner of Dodge/Middle Ridge causing all residents there to be blocked in. Wouldn't it be safer to have an alternate egress point for the Dodge/Royal/Lancer residents also?
If the city install's an electronic gate who will be liable when it fails to open (storm, power failure, ect) when fire trucks or ambulances are responding to a call?? That already happened which caused the city to change the gate to free swinging.
The gate being stolen happened before I took ownership of my home so was not aware.
As John has stated we are open to discuss a solution to this issue.
john thomson (Khách)
fyi (Khách)
fyi (Khách)
Since it appears you haven't read the sign on the gate that clearly states for Emergency vehicles...do we need to take a pic of the big, yellow sign on Dodge that has been there forever that states "No Outlet!"...Wonder what that means??? Maybe no access for electrical necessities??...It's means there is ONLY "1" way in/out of Dodge Drive :)
Also, noticed on 4-lane, much BUSIER West River Rd North, they have the Cherry Ridge Condos with only access to West River & the multi-development Foxhill Lane that has Colonial Meadows Townhouses & Floridian Apts & Village Green Condos...to name a few...with...hum... access to only that horrifically 4-lane West River Rd, North...Maybe they need to get access to 113 !!
Wondering if "nobody" (esp TRAINED PROFESSIONAL EMERGENCY CREWS)"don't know" where Northpt is...how did u find it to buy your home there ?? EMS, etc. DO KNOW where you are, so please don't insult their intelligence.
We are finished debating over this. If you want to be Northpt, then the gate stays up. If you want to take your Northpt sign down and open ALL you facilities to the community then maybe you might think you are goingto make expections.
Fact is...we unfortunately do not live in a perfect world & it is wrong to thing that those who fuss the most/loudest always get what they want. When considering what you want to fuss over, you might want to consider: "Is a worth causing bitterness and unfriendliness where otherwise could have been mutual kindness respect for what was already the way it was and meant to be ?" I've seen a lot of people cry & fuss for something & then later REGRET what they ended up getting. The saying goes, "Now that you got what you wanted...do you want what you got?" Most of the time, with no way to turn the clock back...the answer is usually, "God forgive me, NO !! I wish I would have just been CONTENT with what I HAD !!"
fyi (Khách)
Dave Goodell (Khách)
Hi Mitch. My name is Dave Goodell, and I live on the old section of Dodge Drive. Those of you who have attended the council meetings will know where I live. I do not want the gate taken down. Riding a bicycle through the gate is not a safety concern, nor is it breaking any laws. I do not recall the last time that I heard of a bicycle speeding through an intersection, running a stop sign, and killing anybody. Riding a lawn mower to the gas station to fill it with gas is an issue to take up with the local law enforcement agency.
It appears that the people that want the gate down want to discuss this on a forum to bad-mouth others, and spread lies around instead of coming up with a reasonable solution. You should use the energy you waste on complaining on a forum that will not result in anything on getting information about getting a lift gate, traffic signal or other traffic control device installed. It really sounds like a spoiled kid who is rebelling because his/her mommy and daddy wouldn't buy them the latest and greatest toy for Christmas.
The gate was there when YOU bought your house. Rt 58 was also there when YOU bought your house. YOU chose to live there. Please do not blame others for your choices, and don't make them suffer from your choices either. This is not about "progress/change", "safety" or other concerns. It is simply about convenience.
Dave Goodell (Khách)
Hi Mitch. My name is Dave Goodell, and I live on the old section of Dodge Drive. Those of you who have attended the council meetings will know where I live. I do not want the gate taken down. Riding a bicycle through the gate is not a safety concern, nor is it breaking any laws. I do not recall the last time that I heard of a bicycle speeding through an intersection, running a stop sign, and killing anybody. Riding a lawn mower to the gas station to fill it with gas is an issue to take up with the local law enforcement agency.
It appears that the people that want the gate down want to discuss this on a forum to bad-mouth others, and spread lies around instead of coming up with a reasonable solution. You should use the energy you waste on complaining on a forum that will not result in anything on getting information about getting a lift gate, traffic signal or other traffic control device installed. It really sounds like a spoiled kid who is rebelling because his/her mommy and daddy wouldn't buy them the latest and greatest toy for Christmas.
The gate was there when YOU bought your house. Rt 58 was also there when YOU bought your house. YOU chose to live there. Please do not blame others for your choices, and don't make them suffer from your choices either. This is not about "progress/change", "safety" or other concerns. It is simply about convenience.
Carl (Khách)
I guess civility just went out the door as posts have become a little hostile. Let's all take a deep breath. Dave, FYI, John, et.al. we are all agreeing on many points and are having difficulty on others. We are still open to discussing these issue with all residents. We have already inquired on street lights, traffic control devices and other options but have met resistance in pursuing those ideas (Costs $$). The schools have been difficult also, we know, they moved our bus stop out into the front section and the kids have to stand in a field with no sidewalks unless their parents park their cars and wait for the bus to pick up the kids (we're talking almost on Rt-58, that's a very long way away from the back of Compass Ct.). We still have one school on the Dodge Dr. side pickup. Neither are really good solutions and are causing concerns. We are running out of options and my original post here was to spark an online debate as to what's next. We've tried many other things (including removal). We have called the police multiple times but the pattern is we are ignored and nothing has been done. Nice way to welcome new residents to Amherst. I personally have stopped an officer when construction equipment was blocking the gate (earlier picture I posted) and..... nothing happened. So can we agree both sides have safety issues and how this all evolved? Even if we agree to keep the gate it's not being policed or controlled which is part of our concerns. We have the same safety concerns as the Dodge Drive residents but options are few. Leaving the gate solves some issues but still leaves others. There in lies the debate.
This will be my last post unless we want to get together and discuss. Thank you to all for added debate.
Dave Goodell (Khách)
Carl,
Here is a web-site that contains information on a powered traffic lift gate: http://www.barrier-gate.com One of these could be installed, with a card style, "garage door opener" or keypad entry system. I am not sure of the cost, but I know they work as my employer has one to keep traffic from cutting through the parking lot. This would allow people with the passkey, "garage door opener" device or card to enter. This would include residents and public safety and utility workers. We are only concerned with the through traffic. Most of the residents that live on the newer side will not be affected by the increased traffic due to the gate coming down on the old side. Myself and the others that live on the old side will be. I am concerned for the safety of my neighbors as much as you are, however, as I had stated in earlier posts, I didn't chose to live in the new side. School bus issues need to brought to the school board's attention. Police protection, such as dereliction of duty, are issues that need to brought to the Chief's attention. I see all of the issues you bring up. I also understand the intersection on Rt 58 is not a good one. But as I had stated before, you bought the house with the intersection being in the state it is in. Why do you want to make others pay the price because you made that decision. I am not trying to be harsh, crass or a pain in the butt, all I am saying is it was your decision to live there.
Your neighbor, Dave Goodell
john thomson (Khách)
Dave,
I keep trying to give you the facts, but you are choosing to ignore them. Here they are again. You bought a home on a street that has taken 55 years to fully develope (which is mapped as a through street) I am sorry that everyone has become comfortable with how things were, but times have finally caught up and now dodge Dr is completed as it was meant to be.
You can choose to keep ignoring these facts, but the facts won't change. The woods are gone and the street has been paved. The gate is a temporary barrier which purpose was to stop heavy construction vehicles.
Please explain the facts and only the facts for keeping the gate up.
Carl (Khách)
Theresa (Khách)
Amherst Ohio Councilman Phil Van Treuren (Người dùng đã đăng ký)
Thank you to everyone who has used this forum to discuss the Dodge Drive Gate issue! I appreciate all of the input. Please keep the comments coming, and try to remain civil. I know that there are heated opinions on both sides of this issue, but please remember to treat each other with respect.
Thanks again!
Ken Ferris (Khách)
My name is Ken Ferris and I would like to offer some thoughts on the issue of the Gate blocking Dodge Drive.
First, I was one of the original signers of the petition to block Dodge Drive. I signed because I did not want heavy construction equipment traveling on Dodge Drive tearing up the road that was not constructed to bear those loads. That time has passed and so has the need for the gate based on those grounds. Second, a significant number (if not half) of those who signed the original petition have either moved or have passed away.
I have heard the cry that traffic will increase substantially if the gate is removed. I find this hard to comprehend. For the people that live to the West of Dodge Drive why on earth would they get off Middle Ridge Road where they can travel at 35 MPH with only one stop and minor curves to RT 58 with a stop light to aid in turning onto Rt. 58, to enter a residential neighborhood where the speed limit is 25 MPH, currently has 3 stop signs, 3 turns and one 90 degree curve, not to mention a very dangerous intersection trying to get onto Rt. 58? Really!!! I live on Royal Drive and there is no way I would turn right onto Dodge Dr. to go through all that if I were traveling North or East out of the area. I would turn right if and only if, I were going South on Rt. 58. Since almost the all schools, churches, shopping, etc. is to the North I seriously doubt people would go through the maze to go North or East. They may try it once just to see what it is like but probably would not do it again.
Currently, the time to go from the intersections of Dodge Drive to Rt. 58 via Middle Ridge Rd. is 1 ¼ to 1 ½ minutes. Making the same trip by going down Dodge Drive to Longitude Ln. to Bearing Court to West Point Dr. to Rt. 58 is over 2 ¾ minutes depending on the traffic on Rt. 58 and includes a harrowing left turn onto Rt. 58.
To make the traveling between Rt. 58 and Middle Ridge Rd. via Dodge Dr. even less palatable, additional stop signs could be erected at the intersections of Lancer, Dodge, North Pointe Blvd., Longitude Drive and West Point Drive making them three way stops. This would make it even longer to travel that route and would help ensure that people only go 25 MPH since by the time they get up to the speed limit they will need to break for the next stop sign.
I recommend that the gate be removed and the stop signs be held in reserve to see what really happens and are erected as needed to control traffic.
Craig Novak (Khách)
Thank-You for your support Ken! It's amazing how this Gate Scenario looks once someone applies logic to the situation. I'd love to know how many other residences in your development have the same opinion as you. I would bet a substantial amount. I would guess that there is only a handful that are still looking at this emotionally. Thanks again Ken.
Craig Novak
L.Young (Khách)
Dave Goodell (Khách)
Carl,
Please contact me at davesjnkmail@gmail.com
Margaret Garcia (Khách)
Courtney7191 (Người dùng đã đăng ký)
Mitch Van Dress (Khách)
One of the great thing about America is the personal freedoms we have. Government by the people is the law of the land. Dodge Drive is a dedicated PUBLIC street. If I choose to go down down Dodge Drive to access Middle Ridge Road or use Dodge Drive to access State Route 58, then by golly, I should be allowed to make that simple choice.
I am not a rebel but respect our laws. All the other arguements have some merit. But, it boils down to my opening comment. Do you want more government or less. I vote with my ballot and my pocket book. I vote for less government and more freedom of choice. Mr. Gorbachev tear down that gate!
Respectfully,
Mitch Van Dress
Courtney7191 (Người dùng đã đăng ký)
You said it perfectly. :)
John S (Khách)
Here is something to ponder. I grew up in town ((I'm 48) and remember when there was a barricade and a small section of trees from the corner of Sunrise to Rainbow.
Should that 'gate' been left there?
For those who may not know the location, it's became the entrance of Nord School. I'm willing to bet the people oppose to opening the gate have traversed down Lincoln Street over the years to church, schools and shopping.
another example....
The bridge to nowhere.
When Rt. 2 was constructed, the bridge was added to connect the two parts of town, but for years there were no approach from either side.
the day it opened ( It took maybe 10-15 YRS) , it WAS a very welcomed thing and again I'm willing to bet the people on Dodge & Lancer have found they way across this bridge many times
Will traffic increase? Maybe a bit but it's no where going to be anything like it takes 5 minutes to get out of your driveway
Carl (Khách)
The new chief of police has gone on record that it should be removed. No other residents on dead end streets that were opened up to new developments has had a benefit of having their road blocked to keep traffic off it in Amherst. Their is no evidence of increased traffic accidents and additional traffic has been minimal. So if our new chief would like to see it down why is city council ignoring the wisdom and experience of the cities professionals and don't want to remove the gate??? I'm having a difficult time understanding this.
Another thing to ponder. When Dodge Drive is torn up this summer to fix the road and sewers will city council open the gate to let traffic from Dodge/Lancer/Royal go into Northpointe because their road is under construction??
This gate is dead locked in city council and vacating has been removed as a possible solution so what do we do now?? Just ignore it seems to be what council wants to do....
Carl (Khách)
Carl (Khách)
Guest (Khách)
Carl (Khách)
Craig (Khách)
johnS (Khách)
Mulberry (Khách)
Mitch V. (Khách)
I respectfully submit to Mulberry that is the mentality that we have been dealing with for 8 years. Quite simply Dodge is a dedicated public road and shouldn't have been gated in the first place. Anyway, I am sorry Mulberry thinks North Pointe is a mistake. Maybe we should ask the Amherst officials if they would like to send the Northpointe property tax revenue to Lorain. They could sure use our help.
Mulberry, please understand Northpointe is good for Amherst and you. We pay for the Amherst Public Schools, Amherst services, and Amherst government officials. I love Northpointe and my neighbors. You are welcome to walk over, ride your bike, or walk your dog into our neighborhood any day like so many already do.
Mulberry, I am sorry that you have sour grapes over the issue but could you at least brush up on your poetry. Have a nice day.
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