What should happen at that intersection is that the light at the former begbie school be moved to the corner of Edward and 4th, a true traffic light, it has been needed for years!

I agree with Mark

People need to realize it is illegal to pass on the right, and the RCMP should be enforcing this as well as the numerous bicycling infractions.

it is also illegal to go 70 kilm in the city. It is also illegal to not stop for pedestrians. It all happens on this corner, and there is going to be a fatality!

Why is Edward street more important than Downie and Taylor/Townley? (The answer is the poor sight lines due to the poorly located retaining wall; however, all three intersections are important). The area between Victoria St and Southside Market should be deemed a "congested area" and the speed limit through this area should be reduced to 40 km/hr.

It is not a question of one intersection being more important than another. Edward and forth St. intersection is more congested. Edward St. has Southside market traffic, as well as industrial park traffic, and is the alternate route for logging trucks.

Public Works Clerk_2 assigned this issue to Director of Engineering

Thanks to everyone for your input. We're reviewing options for this corridor, both short and long-term. We'll start with some traffic counts at the intersections along 4th, and work on some design options. We may even test out a "temporary" four way stop intersection in the spring and gather some public feedback.

Generally, four way stops are not preferred for speed control, but in this case, pedestrian safety and management of turning movements may be improved in the short-term, even if it is not the best long-term solution.

We'll keep you posted!

Solution - - forget about hiring someone to sit and count traffic. The problem exists - the problem needs fixing regardless of the count. When in doubt the City is infamous for doing nothing.

Install pedestrian activated lights, install speed zone from Downie to Humbert Street. Install left turn lane at both Edward and Humbert Street ( where the vehicles are already passing on the right) No parking strip only where turning lane is needed because shoppers like to park along 4th St.as it is impossible to get out of Southside when traffic is high.(you know the pothead traffic coming off the ski-hill)

4 way stop will not work - traffic will be backed up to the new roundabout at the eastern access and back to the Illecillewaet bridge during the "high" traffic events.

Another Simple solution - force all council and City staff to shop at Southside for a year. Problem and solution will be obvious and solved without huge and unnecessary cost to taxpayers.

Now if we can just find a simpler and less costly solution to the Eastern Access -Railway avenue roundabout. The simple solution is rather obvious for those of us that travel this intersection daily. But I will admit, I haven't done a traffic count yet.

Due to road safety standards, design criteria and liability, simple solutions aren't always the best, but we do try. An example is that we don't have someone sit out and count cars, now the counts are done by video and sent off digitally for processing at about a tenth of the cost of traditional count methods.

We've discussed this intersection with ICBC's road safety branch and have a design that we are going to trial in June. Following the trial, based on feedback and traffic counts during the trial, we'll decide on a final solution.

As an aside, pedestrian activated lights would cost several hundred thousand dollars to install and may not be warranted with total pedestrian movements that are currently there, (I do appreciate the irony of measuring the warrant for a future crossing device based on the current use of a less than ideal configuration!)

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People need to learn the law before posting stuff is illegal. You are allowed to pass a left turning vehical when the road is as wide as 4th.
I understand the issue of morons passing while speeding and the dangers they create and that needs to stop.
But as far as going around someone turn left it's totally legal.

Mystery- I believe you are incorrect as the Motor Vehicle Act requires there to be more than one lane to pass on the right. There is only one lane on 4th street not two, making passing on the right on 4th street a traffic violation.

From BC Motor Vehicle Act;

Passing on right
158 (1) The driver of a vehicle must not cause or permit the vehicle to overtake and pass on the right of another vehicle, except

(a) when the vehicle overtaken is making a left turn or its driver has signalled his or her intention to make a left turn,

(b) when on a laned roadway there is one or more than one unobstructed lane on the side of the roadway on which the driver is permitted to drive, or

(c) on a one way street or a highway on which traffic is restricted to one direction of movement, where the roadway is free from obstructions and is of sufficient width for 2 or more lanes of moving vehicles.

(2) Despite subsection (1), a driver of a vehicle must not cause the vehicle to overtake and pass another vehicle on the right

(a) when the movement cannot be made safely, or

(b) by driving the vehicle off the roadway.

Actually the second lane is considered a parking lane which when open you are allowed to pass in...

Thanks for the comments, this is a case of applying 158(1a) and (2a) above. My interpretation is that passing on the right is allowed here, *if* it is safe to do so.

One of the issues is pedestrian safety and visibility of pedestrians when a vehicle has stopped to turn left, this can create a risk for pedestrians, particularly as you mentioned, when vehicles pass at higher speeds. Here's some more information on pedestrian safety at different speeds - https://love30.ca/

As an update, City staff will soon be rolling out a trial intersection layout that is expected to show improvements to safety in the area. Based on feedback and the results of the trial, a permanent solution may be proposed in the future.

Mystery- which section of the BC Motor Act says that a parking lane becomes a travel lane when there are no cars parked there? I can't find anything in the act referring to that.

Perhaps someone from the RCMP should be consulted as we have a few traffic members in town who should be considered the experts in the BC MVA.

You are supposed to treat a parking lane as a lane when driving. If you are taking a right-hand turn you such actually signal to change into the parking lane then signal to take the rh turn. If safe to do so and lane is clear of course.
Not trying to stir up anything just sick of people not understanding that it is legal to pass on the right while driving on 4th.
If you don't pass you can honestly wait close to 5 minutes behind a guy taking a left in winter around 3-4pm

This is what I have found on bc driving laws.
In general, passing on the right is forbidden in British Columbia. There are only three situations where this may be done legally and they are subject to restrictions as well. Don't take your cues from other drivers as most of them do it incorrectly!
You may pass an overtaken vehicle on the right if there is an unobstructed lane that permit motor vehicle travel there to do it in.
You may pass an overtaken vehicle on the right if you are driving on a one way street, there is an unobstructed lane and the street is at least two lanes wide.
You may pass an overtaken vehicle on the right if it is turning left, or the driver is signalling the intention to turn left. If a vehicle not turning has stopped between you and the vehicle turning left you must wait. Lack of a signal might be a clue in this instance.

That is act 158 (1)(a)(b)&(c)

Mystery-

Section 151 of MVA mentions:

when approaching an intersection intending to turn right must drive the vehicle in the lane nearest to the right hand side of the roadway,

But there is no other mention that the parking lane can be used as a travel lane or be used for the purpose of passing on the right.

I can't think of a time when it's safe to pass on the right at this intersection or most other places. I see close calls with pedestrians and car vs car at this intersection almost everyday. I was almost T-boned recently by someone passing on the right in the opposing direction. As you said "in general, passing on the right is forbidden in British Columbia.

I think I'll continue operating on the side of caution and hopefully someone with expertise in the BC MVA will provide the correct answer.

Other cities are lowering the in town speed limit to 30km/hr. Revelstoke should do the same with the high amount of stupid cyclists in the way of cars and pedestrians around. Front st has people doing 70km/hr or more as well, speed bumps or a barrier at the end for no access to the bridge would be awesome.